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James Nauert 42

07-18-2006 18:05:49




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I'm still trying to decide what paint to use on my JD H i wanted to use classic green with a hardener but i cant realy swing the right equipment. I even thought about making a mask from an old scott air pack and a shopvac. Is there a paint that will give a good durable finish that is safe to spray with a resperator on.




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CNKS

07-19-2006 17:13:14




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 Re: Safe paint durable finish good looking in reply to James Nauert 420W, 07-18-2006 18:05:49  
Hardener adds durability and gloss. But if you practice for a while first, acrylic enamel without hardener will give a satisfactory job. You will have to be careful with it until it cures, maybe 4-6 months. But with no hardener, what you see is what you get. Body shops painted cars for years (decades) without hardener.



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Rod (NH)

07-19-2006 18:43:25




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 Re: Safe paint durable finish good looking in reply to CNKS, 07-19-2006 17:13:14  
It certainly would be better than the original paint from the factory. And if the JD dealer paint is just synthetic, it would be better than that also. Acrylic enamels were not introduced until the early 60's. Before that it was synthetic enamels and lacquers. Hardeners were not introduced for the enamels until the late 60's or early 70's I believe. PPG used to market a special sealer that eliminated recoat lifting on unhardened enamels. It was DXR-1050 and was used on either Delstar acylic or Ditzco alkyd - per their 1982 catalog. No longer marketed since there is little demand in the current auto refinish market. However, I am wondering if a single coat of epoxy primer could be used over dried (but uncured) unhardened enamel as a sealer to enable recoating MAE after a short time. If it could, it would be a reasonable way to enable some repair work, say for runs. I don't know since I have never tried it. Maybe B--- has some thoughts along those lines although he probably has never done that either. Alternatively, DuPont's Centari acrylic enamel in the 1K version is fine for a regular cartridge mask (no isos) and is said (by DuPont) to be recoatable after 4 hours. Their NASON Fastdry acrylic, also non-iso is said to be recoatable after 48 hours. There are solutions out there, including some of the industrials in the acrylic-modified category in addition to the standard dealer paints. Just keep the gasoline spills off 'em and they should do fine.

Rod

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jason(ma)

07-19-2006 08:51:43




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 Re: Safe paint durable finish good looking in reply to James Nauert 420W, 07-18-2006 18:05:49  
if you have the scott pack what about just getting a couple of bottles filled up. My local dive shop will fill mine for me. Cost like $10 to have the bottle hydro'd, if they are outta date it's good for 5 years. The dive shop charges like $5 to fill them up. It'll give you like 20-30 min of air.



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Rod (NH)

07-19-2006 08:06:28




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 Re: Safe paint durable finish good looking in reply to James Nauert 420W, 07-18-2006 18:05:49  
Hi James,

If your idea of "durable" is similar to mine, the answer is NO.

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B-maniac

07-18-2006 20:25:58




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 Re: Safe paint durable finish good looking in reply to James Nauert 420W, 07-18-2006 18:05:49  
This is just my opinion formed from my experience and is not in any way to be considered as advice on the issue one way or another. I have good ventilation,I only spray a few parts at a time creating very little fog,I don't stand around gauwking at the job after I spray I get out,I spray base coat/clear coat,I'm only in there long enough to put a double wet coat of clear (only thing with iso's),I am alergic to iso's,I wear full face canister type respirator and I don't have any reaction whatsoever. Whether it's worth taking the chance in your situation to paint a tractor, only you can make that call.Ask around at the high end colision repair shops in your area.They all use iso hardners every day. I also ask myself this; do I smoke?; do I ride a motorcycle? ditto without a helmet? do I ever fly in a plane? do I race cars? do I wear a respirator when doing a brake job? what do I wear when working with anhydrous amonia tanks? do my kids wear head gear when riding their bikes in town? have I ever went on a carnival ride operated by a wine-o,hung over with no sleep; etc,etc,etc. We all have done these,some every day,and we continue to do them even knowing the risks.And none of the above are nessassary any more that painting your tractor with iso paint,or painting it at all for that matter.All paint products are hazardous to your health.All the above have killed countless people and will continue to do so.I challenge anyone to bring forward a documented case of anyone dying from or even getting sick from less than 15 min. exposure to isocyanates in paint WHILE wearing a properly fitted full face canister type respirator. Light headedness doesn't count.Thats from lack of oxygen from a faulty valve system in the respirator.Iso's don't cause lightheadedness,it causes an alergic respiratory reaction(restriction like an asthma attack). These are not very popular words on this forum but they are opinions (free world) and facts. Again,I am not advocating the use of any products in the painting of your tractor.I can't because I don't know your skill levels and experiences. I will guarantee 95% of people mixing up paint or cleaning their gun DO NOT wear safety glasses.Do you value your sight??It don't matter whether it has iso's or not it will blind you!! I say protect yourself to the point that you feel the risk is worth the gain in whatever you do in life. We make that decision every day in every thing we do and people get killed every day because apparently in their case that day the gain wasn't worth the risk. I believe 420 W knows the facts about iso's and your health. We've all seen the publications and data sheets. I have raised 2 kids,they are 28 & 30 now.They've made excellent decisions in their lives.You can give them all the instructions and fact sheets you want but they also need some REAL LIFE experiences,pro AND con, thrown in the mix to help them make their decisions. Warnings and instructions just aren't enough in the real world. To any of the critics of this post,do you wear safety glasses when mixing paint or gun cleaning? I do. Our priorities are all different.I didn't write this post to offend anyone or start a battle. It's not a question...answers are not required.As one painter to others,I applawd anyone willing to pick up a gun and master what not many have. Good luck to you ,420 W,and I'm glad you picked a GREEN one.

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CNKS

07-19-2006 05:49:50




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 Re: Safe paint durable finish good looking in reply to B-maniac, 07-18-2006 20:25:58  
No comment, except that if I didn't use supplied air, I am convinced that I would be either dead or very sick. People react differently, you may not have a problem, others may. That's why I always say supplied air, I simply do not want to be in any way related to another person's health problems. As has been stated many times on this forum, use of safety products by an individual is a personal decision. I warn, what the people do afterward is their business. Part of my problem, (maybe so, maybe no), may be my improper use of herbicides over about a 20 year period with NO protection. Live and learn. I tend to follow the instructions.

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jubilee johnny

07-25-2006 07:11:15




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 Re: Safe paint durable finish good looking in reply to CNKS, 07-19-2006 05:49:50  
Are you saying the effects of not using proper equipment, particularly breathing systems, are immediate or cumulitive? Or are they different for different folks? I did some painting in the early '70's when hardeners were just coming out without much protection at all. Even sprayed "hot" synthetic enamel on Volkswagens heated on a hot plate. What a fire hazard that was! What about sandblasting without fresh air? I have had a chest exray within the last 5 years to check as I got nervous as to whether I might have had lung damage due to my past, but it was clear. My grandad lived to be 94 and he had "black lung" from coal mining when he was young..... .....

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