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4020 color

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Mark oh

08-25-2006 05:41:10




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I'm in the proces of cleaning up our 1969 4020 john deere. I looked at rod's ppg list and he has 4 different green's listed. Two of which are labled tractor green. Does anyone know which color it should be or do I have to go and buy a sample of all to compare it to?




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Rod (NH)

08-25-2006 14:48:13




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 Re: 4020 color in reply to Mark oh, 08-25-2006 05:41:10  
Hi Mark,

I don't have an answer to your question but I'll offer an explanantion and a comment. I put that list together from three different lists published by PPG over the years. Wherever there is more than one code number that appears for the same color name, it could be that one or more numbers are no longer current or available. I have no way of knowing if any particular number supercedes and replaces or is in addition to any other number for that same color name designation. There can be different original shades that carry the same color name. You need to get additional information from a PPG jobber. It may also be that some numbers are only available in specific chemistries and not all available ones. Again, that info needs to come from a PPG jobber.

Here's what I would suggest: Take a series of numbers that you think might have potential, based on color name, to a local jobber and have him check to see which ones are current. Check with him also to see if he can confirm, from any additional tractor listing he might have in his computer or other records, that any of the numbers properly cross to the desired manufacturer and color name. In other words, treat my list as a starting point. You may be able to refine your search down to only a couple that you would need to confirm which one actually represents the color shade you want. One way could be from someone who has gone through such a process before, as you are asking for in your post. Another way could be yourself with trial purchases, sample sprayouts and visual comparison with the best sample of any original paint you can find, taking into account age and fading as best you can. When I was investigating the two different persian oranges for my AC-B, I found conflicting information from others. You wouldn't believe how many different shades of orange people use to represent the one that AC used. I also found conflicting information between paint manufacturers. My own satisfaction was only obtained by purchasing what I thought were the two best possibilities and doing samples for comparison with an original. I happen to think that's the best way to do it. Jason (ma) knows what I'm talking about. He went through a similar but more extensive sampling and test sprayouts for the same persian orange. He not only did samples from PPG but other manufacturers as well. He independently came to the same conclusion I did regarding the best match. In fact he had some old PPG information that I didn't have and provided it to me for inclusion in that list. There are so may slight variations in color that the absolute best way is a visual, side by side, comparison if possible. I doubt that either of us would have blindly taken the word of the other for the correct shade without an independent visual. Seeing is believing.

Another way, if you have faith in a dealer on the correctness of old colors, is to get what's available from them and do a sprayout for baseline comparison purposes. The problem with that is not all current dealer paint is the same shade as the older versions of the same color. That's the case with AC and probably others as well. Your tractor may be new enough however, that a dealer paint would be the correct shade as a baseline to go by.

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WyoDave

08-27-2006 09:05:16




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 Re: 4020 color in reply to Rod (NH), 08-25-2006 14:48:13  
I'm not an expert on paint colors and codes, but to get an exact original paint match has to be close to impossible. I say that because my grandfather was a JD mechanic in the two cylinder era and their dealership ordered in a JD A and had it on the lot. They got another one on a second shipment a couple months later and set it next to the first A. They were visably different shades of green. He said you could walk right past two brand new tractors and see the difference, it was subtle, but in the right light there was a difference. They contacted JD and the company explained the tractors were probably painted with different batches of paint? Just to make it that much more confusing.
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Rod (NH)

08-27-2006 16:45:46




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 Re: 4020 color in reply to WyoDave, 08-27-2006 09:05:16  
Hi David,

I agree. Plus there probably were subtle differences in the same color from different paint suppliers. About all one can do nowadays is to come as close as possible to what is believed to be an original shade, not having a good visual sample of what that original shade actually was when it was new.

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