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Rod (NH)

09-19-2006 08:02:30




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I am currently painting a 3pt snowblower using DCC60080 (persian orange) as the topcoat. I have the discharge chute left to do. I don't think I have enough DCC left to complete two coats on it. I would appreciate your thoughts on the following approach:

I have plenty of OMNI MTK60080. I don't wish to purchase more DCC. The shade differences between the two are noticeable. They are, of course, both single stage acrylic urethanes. I am considering applying one full coat of MTK60080 (over epoxy) and then applying one full coat of DCC60080 right after the flash time of the MTK. I realize there is some risk since one is a premium and the other is an economy product with a little different chemistry even though they are of the same basic type. This is strictly a maintenance project but I would like the final shade of the chute to match the main housing reasonably well. I only have myself to please but you know how that is. The chute is also a separate part that could be repainted fairly easily if a disaster should happen.

I think the risk in doing this is fairly low but would like some other opinions - no guarantees, of course. I could always paint it black to match the gear box and augers but I really don't want to - unless I have to.

Thanks,
Rod

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TimV

09-19-2006 20:31:35




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 Re: B---, Brad_bb, Jason, Others in reply to Rod (NH), 09-19-2006 08:02:30  
I don't have any intelligent input on the paint question, so I'll save my breath. However, I'm wondering if you ended up using POR-15 under it or not, and if so, how things went. The earlier thread where we discussed it seems to have went to that big forum in the sky, so I wanted to as here for my reference, as I've got some spots on my project truck that would benefit from this if it worked for you.

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Rod (NH)

09-20-2006 16:04:30




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 Re: B---, Brad_bb, Jason, Others in reply to TimV, 09-19-2006 20:31:35  
Tim,

I think much of that other thread got lost forever due to the server problems Kim has been having recently with this site. Yes I used POR15 under it. See my post below, titled "KCSUPERMMAN..." for a discussion of my use of the POR and epoxy as a binder coat with the topcoat color. Also pics of pre-POR prep and post-POR are in that thread. The post-color pic is in my thread below titled "AC PO Nuts". Here's the post-epoxy pic (a single coat):

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Day 2 with the POR application was the tight part, schedule wise. I put the housing in the shop after prep the day before so I could start fairly early the next morning with the POR, not having to deal with drying the dew off the housing. The temp was about 75F and the POR took about 3 hrs to get to that "tacky" point where the second coat could be applied. Another 3 hrs before applying the epoxy. The color went on the next day just before lunch so it was cured enough by late in the day to not be affected by the heavy dew that evening. I could have put it back inside but didn't need to bother. I'm sensitive to painting color late in the day and having dew turn it all cloudy by next morning - I've been burned twice that way in the past.

Today, I put POR on the first stage augers and the discharge chute. The temp was in the high 60'sF and not as humid as before. It needed 4 hrs between coats. I wound up applying the epoxy coat between 5 and 6 pm. So I needed about 9 hrs elapsed time from beginning the first coat of POR to applying the epoxy binder.

This is the first time I have done this so I am not sure how it's all going to turn out. But I'm cautiously optimistic. I am mostly curious as to how well the POR is going to hold up on the impellers and on the interior of the discharge chute where it's going to take the worst beating. It seems to be brutally tough stuff - as tough as it gets, I'm told. I expect the color and epoxy will wear off fairly quickly in the discharge chute. Time will tell with the POR. I really doubt it will hold up very long to such abuse in those areas, but then again the blower is not my primary means of handling snow. I haven't used it much at all in recent years so it's not likely to get heavily used.

I take it your POR is now fully cured and you want to topcoat it. I think you said you had some of POR's "etch primer". That should do the trick and be in full accordance with their written instructions, although it was not clear to me if scuffing was not also needed in that situation. I have found their instructions to be a little less than I would like and even conflicting in a couple of instances.

Rod

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TimV

09-20-2006 17:00:04




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 Re: B---, Brad_bb, Jason, Others in reply to Rod (NH), 09-20-2006 16:04:30  
Rod--thanks for the reply--I was wondering how it turned out. The blower looks great! My interest was more related to some parts I haven't done yet, like the bottoms of the doors, the interior step wells, and the floor pans. As these are areas that are prone to rusting, I plan on coating with POR before topcoating so (hopefully) they won't rust through as quickly. This can be done, and I have several auto-body friends that have done it, but I never asked them about their exact technique and timing so I wanted to see what your experience has been. With regard to wear resistance, another arrow for your quiver is one that some trucker friends have been doing lately. In high-abrasion areas like dump truck beds they've been using Rhino Liner. Probably not the best for a blower chute, and not the prettiest of finishes, but if function is more important than form, it's something to think about.

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Brad_bb

09-19-2006 11:30:13




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 Re: B---, Brad_bb, Jason, Others in reply to Rod (NH), 09-19-2006 08:02:30  
You"ve basically answered your own question. If I were in the same situation I"d probably go exactly that way too. DCC gives pretty good coverage. So if you can get close with the Omni and have enough paint for one good wet coat, then go for that. also make sure to do the part of the shute that shows first. If you have any extra then go for the under side or inside. Worst case is you have to leave the inside or underside the Omni orange color.

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B-maniac

09-19-2006 17:44:40




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 Re: B---, Brad_bb, Jason, Others in reply to Brad_bb, 09-19-2006 11:30:13  
I would give it a shot if I were in the same situation. The only thing I might do, though, is start on a small area and stop and let it react for 15min. (just so if it does shatter,you won't have much to strip) and then if all's well shoot the whole coat. Good luck, it's got good odds in my opinion. "B".



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B-maniac

09-19-2006 17:56:27




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 Re: B---, Brad_bb, Jason, Others in reply to B-maniac, 09-19-2006 17:44:40  
I should have read your other post below before I replied. I know you hate to think you wasted the DCC, but why not just paint the chute and repaint the housing all in MTK and then it will all match your tractor, which,by the way,I also think is a better color than the DCC turned out to be. Guess I would prefer it all the same as the tractor, reguardless of which product it is. JMO.



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Rod (NH)

09-20-2006 16:36:52




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 Re: B---, Brad_bb, Jason, Others in reply to B-maniac, 09-19-2006 17:56:27  
You're correct; I would be disappointed if that blower were going to be used with that tractor. But it's not. An 18hp B with no 3pt hitch, no live PTO, a high ground speed in reverse and a light front end is not the machine to run that blower anyway. So they'll never be seen together as an operational unit. The blower will be used on a yellow Oliver with poor paint so It'll look far better that the tractor, even if the color doesn't match the tractor. I would like the color to match (or at least be obviously contrasting) on the same piece of equipment however, just for my own satisfaction. Having two shades of orange on the same piece of equipment is not appealing, even if I'm the only one to see it.

I used the DCC (first time, btw) just because I have been meaning to try some for a while and just got around to do it. I had bought it previously to also check the color match with the MTK for a potential upgrade for that early AC persian orange. That idea was discarded when a color swatch showed the shade discrepancy. I knew it would not match that tractor before I used it on the blower.

If it wasn't for the pot life restriction, I would have had enough left from the main housing application to do the chute. Unfortunately, the chute wasn't prepped and ready so my wife's garden cart became partially orange with the leftovers!

Anyway, I'm going to apply the color to the discharge chute tomorrow, providing the weather holds nice. I'll post back how DCC goes over wet MTK. I am sure I have enough of the DCC to do that in one coat, especially if I do the exterior first as Brad suggested.

My reason for posting the picture in the thread below was to demonstrate to others that the same color code may not result in the same shade when going between lines, even using the same basic chemistry and the same manufacturer. I think this is especially true for the old tractor colors where "best match possible" or "close" is probably all one can hope for anyway.

Rod

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Rod (NH)

09-21-2006 17:25:31




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 Re: B---, Brad_bb, Jason, Others in reply to Rod (NH), 09-20-2006 16:36:52  
I applied the DCC over the MTK (after a 10 min flash) today without a problem. I had barely enough DCC to finish the part(s). Talk about "good to the last drop". Worked slick.



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