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Rod (NH)

09-27-2006 15:07:06




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Here's what happens when you use incompatible products:

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I painted one of my trucks about five years ago. There was a section on the roof that had some very tenacious rust. I sanded it down quite a bit but didn't want to get into sandblasting on an assembled vehicle. I couldn't seem to get down to bare clean steel. I had used "Rust Treatment" by Permatex (from NAPA) on the rusty areas, which extended from the windshield back about a foot and all the way across the roof. I covered the Rust Treatment with a lacquer-based primer/surfacer (DuPont's 131S), the clean bare metal areas with epoxy primer (PPG's DPLF) and topcoated with DuPont's Centari Ultra. Everything seemed to be just fine. I can't normally see this area as it is over my head. Recently I needed to replace a couple of the overcab lights which were not working. To my surprise, the top photo is what I saw. After some grinding with 24grit, things turned worse as you can see in the lower photo.

The problem only occurred in the area I used the combination Rust Treatment and lacquer- based surfacer. It seems to me that these products are incompatible with each other and caused the problem. The over-the-cab portion of the dump body shades much of the roof except in the problem area, so sunlight may have had something to do with it but I doubt it's the root cause. I have used that same Rust Treatment on my AC-B gas tank, but unlike the truck, that was used in combination with PPG's OMNI urethane surfacer, MP182. There has been no problem there in the four years that's been applied. Both vehicles are outside all the time. Going back and reviewing the application instructions for the Rust Treatment, I do not see anything that I didn't follow as far as I can remember. There is no warning about incompatible lacquer-based products being used over it. However, I have to conclude that they are, in fact, incompatible.

Now that I have some actual rust throughs in the roof outer skin, I need to come up with some kind of fix. I don't want to get into cutting and patching by welding in pieces. I don't need anything that good. And I don't have the time for that anyway. I am thinking of a fiberglass overlay of the bad area - probably all the way across would be the simplest to do. The resulting difference in surface level is not important to me but I can feather it out somewhat. I can't see the area normally anyway. Any comments or suggestions on ways to proceed are welcome.

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souNdguy

09-28-2006 12:19:14




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 Re: Incompatible Products in reply to Rod (NH), 09-27-2006 15:07:06  
Whatever you do.. body filler or Fg... make sure you get the metal shiny clean.

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CNKS

09-27-2006 17:59:50




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 Re: Incompatible Products in reply to Rod (NH), 09-27-2006 15:07:06  
I have an unproven theory. I think you will have more problems with a cheap product under an expensive product than you will with two cheap products. That's why I try to remove all the rust treatment (Picklex, etc) I can before priming. I bet if you had used Rustoleum and covered it with cheap paint, that it wouldn't have happened. As you know the 131 is part of a system. However the cheap paint would have fallen off by now anyway. But, from your photo, it looks like the bubbling is caused by the rust; in other words your treatment didn't stop it completely, but you've seen it up close, I haven't.

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Harlen Larson

09-27-2006 17:59:39




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 Re: Incompatible Products in reply to Rod (NH), 09-27-2006 15:07:06  
If you want to fiberglass it I would recommend using kitty hair duraglass or what is even better and spreads awesome is Fibral, made by Upol. This stuff is really light and stays where you put it and that is important when going over holes. You should tap the holes in a little so you can build up a little more around them and knock the scale off. It will get you by for a couple of years anyway. Both of these products are better than having to cut cloth and apply resin. Good Luck with it. (:

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HENRY E NC

09-29-2006 06:06:11




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 Re: Incompatible Products in reply to Harlen Larson, 09-27-2006 17:59:39  
I am not fammiliar wth rust treatment from NAPA but all of the body people in the area swear by OSPHO. I asked most of them about rust and the were in one accord about OSPHo. Make sure you clean up as best you can and then you put OSPHO on theavy and twice beore fiberglassing. I used that on my tractor and it works great.



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