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Kevin

10-17-2006 16:34:06




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Just wondering if there is any easy fixes for this. Notice different colors of motor and rest of tractor. Tractor now sits almost fully assembled except for hood and grill. What is the best way to take care of this? Im assuming i will be best off removing wheels and radiatior and going at it with sand paper. Im planning on doing this with paint from the dealer. Im no painter, just a mechanic. Is it posible for anyone to kinda put togather a shopping list for me of what i will need and best way to tackle this? Thank you so much.

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Dave Sherburne NY

11-04-2006 14:19:04




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 Re: Any easy fixes for this? in reply to Kevin, 10-17-2006 16:34:06  
Is that a Cockshutt if it is , the tractor looks
like the right color.



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CNKS

10-19-2006 14:46:59




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 Re: Any easy fixes for this? in reply to Kevin, 10-17-2006 16:34:06  
I have little to add to what Rod and B said. I do not recognize that as an IH tractor, so I have no clue as to what the color should be. But, it was not painted with the same paint code. If the painter crossed the code of the original color that was on the tractor to some other brand, that paint will not match. If he used premixed tractor dealer or tractor store paint that is "based on" the same code that came on the tractor, it will not match either. Nor will any other combination of paint that someone will come up with. In any event you need to find out exactly what the painter used, type of paint; that is, alkyd enamel, acrylic modified alkyd enamel, acrylic enamel (hardened or unhardened for the preceding), or one of the urethanes along with the paint code that it is supposed to be and take it from there.

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jd b puller

10-18-2006 08:15:21




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 Re: Any easy fixes for this? in reply to Kevin, 10-17-2006 16:34:06  
I'm no painter and not a very good mechanic, but have run into trouble if using different primers or none on one surface and primer on a different.



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Rod (NH)

10-17-2006 18:30:33




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 Re: Any easy fixes for this? in reply to Kevin, 10-17-2006 16:34:06  
Hi Kevin,

I'm curious as to how you wound up in that situation. Anyway, it's not clear to me what you wish to do - repaint the tractor to match the engine or repaint both with a different paint? In any event it depends on the existing paint how hard it's going to be to redo. If a hardened enamel or a urethane was used, you should be able to just scuff everything with a maroon, general purpose Scotch-Brite hand pad and repaint with the paint of your choice. On the other hand, if an unhardened enamel was used, all bets are off. It then depends not only on the exact existing paint, but also on how long it has been applied and how agressive the solvents are in the paint you are planning on putting on top of it. In that case, a test would be advisable in an area that can can easily be stripped and redone completely, if a problem develops, such as some single removable component. It certainly would be easier to redo the engine to match the tractor but that apparently is not your desire.

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Kevin

10-18-2006 05:51:09




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 Re: Any easy fixes for this? in reply to Rod (NH), 10-17-2006 18:30:33  
The motor is a match to the dealer paint. The rest of the tractor was painted with the same exact paint as the motor was is what the painter claimed. Unfortunatly i would like to redo the tractor as i have no clue what to redo the motor to make it match the tractor, the tractor seems to be some kind of mix matched color.



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Rod (NH)

10-18-2006 16:11:47




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 Re: Any easy fixes for this? in reply to Kevin, 10-18-2006 05:51:09  
Kevin,

I'm sorry but I just can't believe that the tractor and the engine are painted with the "exact same paint". I know digital cameras can show the same color differently in different lighting but the lighting in your picture seems to be pretty uniform so I discount that as a reason. I sympathize with your situation but I wouldn't jump to any fix too quickly. That wouldn't be an IH/Farmall red would it? If so, maybe CNKS will have some input. He's the resident IH expert and knows about the color changes over the years. Just because the engine is done in a dealer paint doesn't mean it's the correct shade for your particular tractor as different shades of the same color were used over time by more than one tractor manufacturer - and it can be confusing. For example, if I were to get paint for my AC-B from a dealer, I'd wind up with the latest version, which would be incorrect - way too much red. I don't know if you are particular about "correct" original color or not.

If the same painter did both the tractor and the engine it would seem obvious that some error occurred on his part (assuming he selected the paints) and he should be responsible for correcting it. B--- is correct on that. I'll go further though and say even if he did it for free, he should correct it at no cost to you. If I were the painter (for free), I'd be so ashamed of such a mess up, I'd feel obligated to fix it without being asked. If that's not a possibility, is there any way you can find out exactly what paint (manf, color name, code number, type) was used on the tractor and if a hardener was used in it? Surely it can't be a color the painter just brewed up by himself. You believe the engine is in dealer paint. Are you absolutely sure of that? You don't indicate that you did it yourself, which is why I am asking. Can you find out more details on it, such as any specific ID and if a hardener was used in it?

What I am getting at is if the tractor is in an automotive acrylic enamel (special mixed paint) that was hardened, it would be a shame to put an unhardened dealer paint (which I believe to be inferior) over it in order to change a shade that may, in fact, be more correct in the first place. I'm not trying to tell you what you should want or trying to change your mind - just wanted to explain some possibilities, not knowing all the details, that I think you should consider (if you haven't already) before making a final decision. When all is said and done though, it depends on which shade you actually prefer yourself unless it is for someone else. If it were mine, I'd prefer the shade on the tractor - even if it were incorrect as to original. I think it is a more subdued, pleasant shade that goes better with the yellow wheels. But that's just me. There are many who would choose otherwise, to please the correct police if nothing else. Besides, It would be a lot easier to redo the engine than redo the rest of the tractor.

If you can't find anything out about the paint that was used on the tractor, you could also remove a part from the tractor, take it to an automotive paint supplier like DuPont or PPG and have them do a computer scan match of it. Then a small quantity could be mixed to verify match before you decide. That is, if you wanted to entertain redoing the engine instead of the tractor. Just trying to give you another option to consider.

Rod

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B-maniac

10-18-2006 13:43:16




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 Re: Any easy fixes for this? in reply to Kevin, 10-18-2006 05:51:09  
I just hate seeing people let off the hook for doing a bad job. What do you mean"You want to repaint the whole tractor"?? This guy screws up the colors and just walks out free of any responsability??? My opinion is that you hire people because they are supposed to be a little more knowlegable about a subject than you.That's why they get PAID. This IS NOT your problem unless I don't know ALL the particulars(did he do it free? Was the paint pre-packaged or mixed on the spot???) I don't mean to be a jerk to the guy,but I see this happen way too often. SOMEONE KNOWS what happened with that paint!!!

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B-maniac

10-17-2006 18:05:40




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 Re: Any easy fixes for this? in reply to Kevin, 10-17-2006 16:34:06  
I am assuming that the paint on the engine is dealer emamel and that it is no more than 6 mos. old. If it were me and the above is true, I would spend my time carefully masking everything off instead of tearing it down. That paint is still plenty soft,assuming no hardner was used in it, that I don't think you would ever have an adhesion issue. It should still "eat" into itself enough to adhere. It's not like this is a car that is out on the road hitting bugs and stones etc.Hopefully it won't ever be covered with ice and snow.These are the things that "root" marginally adhering paint loose from it's base. Try getting paint off a chrome bumper sometime! You would think you could slide it off with your finger.NOT the case. If you want to scotch-brite sand some of the easier,more obvious spots then go ahead.Otherwise just dust off and mask up and paint it. Gonna be a nice lookin' tractor when your done.

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