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Scott KY

12-15-2006 18:52:38




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A friend recommended PPG concept as a good paint to use. Do any of you have experiece with this paint?




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jason(ma)

12-19-2006 20:29:49




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 Re: PPG concept in reply to Scott KY, 12-15-2006 18:52:38  
boy spend a few days working on the new house and miss out on a good thread.

okay here's my $.02 on ppg's concept.

I've standardized on the concept line with dplf and np250 (I think thats the number). My reasons for doing this are.

1. I have an easier time with ppg getting the paint code and paint quality I want - not so with my dupont jobber.

2. I can't spray omni - it just doesn't come out right for me and my setup.

3. My neighbors friend who is a ppg rep keeps telling me to buy the concept, dplf etc.

4. I feel I'm getting really good results with painting in a barn and buffing then out.

5. I feel the paint materials is the cheap part of the paint job. My allis G took 1 gal of color paint to complete it. I'm guessing at $500 in materials - $235 for color and I don't remeber right now primer cost, bondo, picklex, stripper, wire wheels, sandpaper etc.. costs. compatively I had to spend $600 to the get special belt pulley attachment for this machine, btw that is still sitting in it's shipping box waiting for paint.


so my answer to your question is yes PPG's concept is excellent paint, that gives me the results I want, but there are others that are really good too.

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brad_bb

12-18-2006 08:29:44




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 Re: PPG concept in reply to Scott KY, 12-15-2006 18:52:38  
I only use PPG DCC and DBU. One thing that should be considered is that it will cost you more buying in by the quart (in smaller quantities) than by the gallon. Second, with the amount of work that goes into repairing, prepping and bodyworking parts straight, the cost of DCC over a cheaper product is nto that big deal to me. If I"m doing all that work, you bet I"m going to use DCC over it. Also, there is usually no problem for the jobber to mix any color you want in DCC, or in using the profit machine (spectrum analyzer) to mix the shade of a sample you provide.

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Rod (NH)

12-17-2006 05:47:20




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 Re: PPG concept in reply to Scott KY, 12-15-2006 18:52:38  
Scott,

Here's my take it. Concept is a single stage acrylic urethane in PPG's premium Deltron line. It's unquestionably an excellent paint but quite expensive, considering available alternatives in a similar chemistry. To give you an idea, I bought some of it in AC Persian Orange last spring. The price for the color was $64.05 (1 qt). The hardener that is required for a quart of color cost $27.95 (1/2 pt). The reducer was $15.25 for a qt. The mix ratio is 4:2:1, color:reducer:hardener. That works out to $57 per qt of ready-to-spray (RTS) material with credit taken for the pt of leftover reducer. If you want to spend that much, you'll like the paint. It sprays easily and covers well. If you do not wish to mix and match other needed materials like primers and surfacers from other, less expensive lines, then you would want to use the premium equivalents as recommended in the Concept tech sheet. Those materials will also carry a significant premium price and your overall costs will increase accordingly. Personally, I have been just as pleased with the materials (primer/surfacer/topcoat) in PPG's OMNI "value" line. In OMNI, MTK would be the ss acrylic urethane alternative to DCC (Concept). If you do a material cost comparison between DCC and MTK (RTS color coats only - same number of coats), it will indicate a DCC cost of about 287% of the MTK cost. That's almost three times as much! I've only used Concept on one job (basically just to try it) so keep that in mind. However, I am unlikely to use it again, simply because of the much greater cost. For my work, I don't consider that cost increase over the MTK to be justified based, IMO, on little apparent increase in performance for the premium product. The same goes for the epoxy primers (and probably the urethane surfacers also) in the two different lines. That's for my present work. If I were doing repair work on cars, even just my own, the thinking would be different. I'd be using the premium line, at least for the topcoat, but it wouldn't be Concept single stage. It would be Deltron DBU or DBC base plus clear for the best color and appearance matching with an existing OEM bc/cc. That's where the extra cost for the premium product lines are justified - better color matching with existing automotive OEM paint. For overalls however, I'd still stay with the OMNI line products as the best value for the price.

Rod

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B-maniac

12-16-2006 07:06:02




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 Re: PPG concept in reply to Scott KY, 12-15-2006 18:52:38  
It's all good paint! Go to a REPUTABLE PPG jobber,preferably one that handles a lot of collision shops. All their products are geared towards particular conditions,ie, shops with bake booths,shops with non-bake down draft booths,shops with no booth at all and the do it yourselfers also. Get the product THEY recommend for YOUR conditions and not what some "freind" says. These paints and clears are ALL good but only for the shop conditions they were designed for. Personally, I use base/clear (Deltron System). Over top I use DC 3000 clear for small parts or areas and the NEW DC 4000 clear for larger areas or car panels. Both are acrylic urethanes with catylist. Both seem to be the most forgiving of conditions. In other words they are NOT " condition specific " like many of the others. I may be wrong but I believe Concept is a condition specific line. Just my experience and my preference, others may differ.

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