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its my rant

01-06-2007 19:15:08




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Sorry if this is kind of a rant but my first painting project p!ssed me off. I was epoxy priming 2 front wheels for my 70. First shot at sandblasting and painting ever other than rattle cans. So 4:1 primer is the project. Good luck pouring 4:1 contents in a little measure cup with those stupid buckets the product comes in. A quart or gallon can is not easy to pour in small volumes without spilling some down the side, wasted. And screws up the volumes wanted, who knows what I got and if its right. Looks like I have orange peel (learned that in the archives a moment ago). And then the reducer, in the rectangle box can. What a mess! ???

Is it just me? Usually always is so that is why I ask the dum questions. How do you guys do small batches of paint and primer without mess and off ratios? Anything homemade or ideas on how to do this well would be greatly appreciated because ya know what, lots of lurkers out there need the same help but are scared to ask the questions. And for gall dangs sake if you are in the product industry think of the users pouring the stuff to do the business. Give yer head a shake on cans and rectangle containers with glug glug pouring all over the place.l;

I am done

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brad_bb

01-11-2007 12:21:31




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to its my rant, 01-06-2007 19:15:08  
David Maddux, where you spying on my in my shop??!! So funny and true! I"ve had those days and the cursing that goes on...

As far as your mixing, the paint store carries small pint measureing cups as well as quart cups. Ace hardware also has the quart, two quart and gallon measuring cups. Same thing. Although they have ratios marked on them, for a novice they can be very confusing. Even today I end up using the ounce scale marked on them more than 98 percent of the time. It"s fairly simple math to figure how many ounces or half ounces or third ounces to mix with the same ratio but less materials. (See that gradeschool math was good for something). As far as the rectangular gallon cans, if it"s reducer, I pour some into a separate mixing cup so that I can then slowly and accuratly pour it into my actual mix cup. There are a number of ways to handle the paint. The paper cup is one idea. I"ve just learned the careful technique of pouring it straight from the can. I also have poked a drain return hold in the groove of the round gallon or quart can for paint to return to the can before putting the lid back on. I heard that Home Depot had some new kind of pour spouts for gallon cans that I need to go check out.

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A Pittman

01-10-2007 04:55:00




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to its my rant, 01-06-2007 19:15:08  
This may help .Go to your NAPA store and ask for a mixing cup. About a buck, but you can clean it and re use two or three times. Its a clear plastic cup holds about 1 qt. It has all of the mixing ratio marked on the side, so you can get the right viscosity.Or to get close to the right ratio.Take the wooden mixing stick and measure up two inches and place a pencil mark at the two inch line from the bottom of your stick. Then measure up from the bottom and mark a line at the three inch mark. If your paint ratio is say 2 to 1. Or two parts paint and one part solvent. You can pour the paint up to the two inch mark and then pour the solvent up to the three inch line and you have a 2 to 1 ratio.Mark your stick in the amout of paint your want to mix up. DO NO USE INK MARKERS to mark the stick. I also use 1 gallon milk jugs or drinking water jugs to mix the paint in after they ( milk jugs )are washed out with soap and water do not put the lid back on them. And then cut the front part of the jug off do not cut out the handle then after you mix the paint you have a handle to pour the paint into the gun. also three caps full from your hardner can = 1 oz. Hope this helps (anyone)

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David Maddux

01-08-2007 14:09:37




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to its my rant, 01-06-2007 19:15:08  
The first day of painting you are supposed to knock over a full quart of mixed paint in and with the gun on the floor. Then when you are discussing the event to yourself and bent over wiping or smearing it around on your shoes, you raise up and knock your head on the edge of the table. As the result of that you fall backwards knocking over a whole rack of freshly sandblasted parts. While you are trying to pick up and wipe all of that off, you hear that glugging noise that you talked about. Well it is time to go back to the paint store, to get more supplies. About half way back to the house you start to feel a kind of tingling feeling in your back pocket where you put that fresh thinner rag. Maybe you should quit for the day, you have gotten enough done today.

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rustyj14

01-26-2007 10:10:22




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to David Maddux, 01-08-2007 14:09:37  
I laughed about the tingling feeling in yer back pocket! Have had that happen a number of times, until i smartened up! And the other things have happened at various times!



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the ranter

01-10-2007 08:53:32




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to David Maddux, 01-08-2007 14:09:37  
That is funny. I laughed out loud. Reminded me an email about how guys change oil compared to women.

Changing OIL

Oil Change instructions for Women:

1) Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the last oil change. 2) Drink a cup of coffee. 3) 15 minutes later write a check and leave with a properly maintained vehicle.

Money spent: Oil Change $20.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $21.00


Oil Change instructions for Men:

1) Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of oil, filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a check for $50.00. 2) Stop by liquor store and buy a case of beer, write a check for $20.00, drive home. 3) Open a beer and drink it. 4) Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands. Jack car up. 5) Find jack stands under kids pedal car. 6) In frustration, open another beer and drink it. 7) Place drain pan under engine. 8) Look for 9/16 box end wrench. 9) Give up and use crescent wrench. 10) Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on face and arms in process. Cuss. 11) Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off of face and arms. 12) Throw kitty litter on spilled oil. 13) Have another beer while watching oil drain. 14) Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench. 15) Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil filter and twist off. 16) Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil everywhere from holes. Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to avoid environmental penalties. Drink a beer. 17) Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him. Decide to finish oil change tomorrow so you can go see his new garage door opener work. 18) Sunday: Skip church because "I gotta finish the oil change." Drag pan full of old oil out from underneath car. Cleverly dump oil in hole in back yard instead of taking it to recycle. 19) Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18. 20) Beer. No, drank it all yesterday. 21) Walk to liquor store; buy beer. 22) Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to gasket surface. 23) Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine. 24) Remember drain plug from step 10. 25) Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan. 26) Remember that the used oil is buried in a hole in the back yard along with drain plug. 27) Drink beer. 28) Shovel out hole and sift oily mud for drain plug. Re-shovel oily patch of ground and avoid environmental penalties. Wash drain plug in lawnmower gas. 29) Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor. Throw kitty litter on oil spill. 30) Drink beer. 31) Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes. Wipe eyes with oily rag used to clean drain plug. Slip with stupid crescent wrench tightening drain plug and bang knuckles on frame. 32) Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 31. 33) Begin cussing fit. 34) Throw stupid crescent wrench. 35) Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss December (1992) in the left boob. 36) Beer. 37) Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to stop blood flow. 38) Beer. 39) Beer. 40) Dump in five fresh quarts of oil. 41) Beer. 42) Lower car from jack stands. 43) Accidentally crush remaining case of new motor oil. 44) Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled during steps 23 - 43. 45) Beer. 46) Test drive car. 47) Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence. 48) Car gets impounded. 49) Call loving wife, make bail. 50) 12 hours later, get car from impound yard.

Money spent: Parts $50.00 DUI $2500.00 Impound fee $75.00 Bail $1500.00 Beer $40.00 Total-- $4165.00

But, you have the satisfaction of knowing the job was done right...

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Frank Stalfire

01-07-2007 20:35:11




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to its my rant, 01-06-2007 19:15:08  
When you buy your paint ask the counter guy if he will sell you a mixing lid, they are made by either Dedoes or FAS and replace the metal lids on the cans. They have a shaft that runs down the center into the can with paddles and a fork stlye top top mix the paint and have a pour spout for easy dispensing that closes so the paint doesn't dry out



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B-maniac

01-07-2007 19:15:30




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to its my rant, 01-06-2007 19:15:08  
Don't feel bad , "rant" , did you ever see the mess down the side of a brick wall freshly laid up by the masons? How bout the mess the drywallers and painters leave in a new house? Ever see the kitchen in a busy restaurant at days end? And how does anyone ever get body filler mixed right? No measurements to go by. Why don't they put drain plugs in all auto trans. and rear ends , and all oil filters mounted verticlly? No , it's not you , some things just are what they are. Like anything , do it long enough and you will come up with all your own short-cuts and remedies.

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TimV

01-07-2007 14:19:35




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to its my rant, 01-06-2007 19:15:08  
I just use disposable plastic drinking cups--I buy them from the dollar store for a buck for 50 and toss them when I'm done measuring. I make 3 cuts with a pair of scissors about 1/2 way down the cup, fold out 2 of the sections, cut them off, and use the third section (which is still height of the original cup) for a handle. Takes less than 10 seconds to make a dipper, and there's no mess or clean-up. One tip on pouring out of the gallon reducer cans--if you put the can opening at the TOP when you're pouring, you'll get less "glug". It's still messy when the can is full, but once you get some gone (typically by pouring it on the floor, table, or whatever else is within 3 feet of your mixing container) it goes easier.

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Rod (NH)

01-07-2007 11:04:30




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to its my rant, 01-06-2007 19:15:08  
Similar to CNKS, I never try to pour from the can for small quantities. For measuring I usually use 3oz paper drinking cups, hold them with a pair of pliers and dip paint out of the can. I use the 12oz paper drinking cups for mixing purposes. These are all throw-away items that don't need to be cleaned. I can also estimate 1.5 oz quantities using the 3oz cups. Using reasonable care, I don't have a problem pouring reducer from a gallon can into a 3oz cup. When I need even smaller quantities, I use the plastic kitchen measuring spoons to dip paint from the can. With reducer in a gallon can, I pour some into a larger paper cup and dip from that with the appropriate spoon. The only issue with the spoons are that they need to be cleaned afterwards. That gets done during gun cleaning.

When I am going to use up a significant part of a gallon or quart can of paint, I use the plastic snap-on poor spouts and pour the necessary quantity into glass kitchen measuring cups (up to 2qt sizes), which also serve as the mixing container. The spouts need to be cleaned afterwards though, as the measuring spoons do. I also sometimes use wide masking tape applied on the inside of the can rim for several inches around the circumference as a throw-away pour spout for the larger quantities. The use of green tape with the better adhesive, a carefully cleaned rim to insure sticking and a can that's less than 2/3 full will result in the best success using this method.

There will always be a certain amount of unavoidable waste using small quantities at different times, especially with catalyzed paints, because one can never really estimate the exact quantity needed beforehand. It's always better to have a little left over than run short. There will always be some drips and drops. I put down paper towels on the bench for that. Significant messes however, can be avoided.

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CNKS

01-07-2007 09:18:15




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to its my rant, 01-06-2007 19:15:08  
Dip it out into the 8 oz measuring cups that any paint place will have. You can also use small drinking cups as long as you don't leave the stuff in them for any length of time. Or for very small amounts you can use a set of teaspoons, tablespoons, etc. You can also buy spouts for gallon and quart cans, but the ones I have used do not seal very well. A common mix for the numerous small parts I paint is 150-300 ml or about 0.3-0.6 pint if you don't use metrics. This is very easily dipped. The gallon cans of reducer are a mess, unless you are very careful, I'm not and just put up with the mess. Nothing to get excited about.

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calmer now

01-08-2007 09:50:22




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to CNKS, 01-07-2007 09:18:15  
Thanks for the tips guys. Dipping cups that throw away and plastic spoons does make good sense. I thought maybe the plastic would melt in the solvents but with such a quick dip it makes sense. Will try inverted reducer can pouring too with the full can.



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CNKS

01-08-2007 13:36:06




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 Re: small volume painting in reply to calmer now, 01-08-2007 09:50:22  
Throwaway dippers, yes. But I prefer metal spoons, they are not that hard to clean, much easier than dippers.



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