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WyoDave

01-14-2007 14:49:35




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O.K. guys first off thanks for any advice, and opinions you're willing to throw at me here. I'm a young tractor rebuilder and am pretty much self taught. I've painted three tractors so far, with basic implement dealer paints with no hardener, because I didn't have what many would consider the proper safety equipment. Every paint job I did got better, and I'm satisified with my results. I'm a person that always likes to learn and get better and do the best job I can, and I think I'm ready to upgrade my painting. First off, I'm 24, and my grandfather always said "if I knew I was going to live this long I'd have..." and I listened. I try to protect myself when I can. I've read many posts here about what safety equipment you need for hardeners and I've decided I want a supplied air system. I'm thinking the hobby air system will be sufficient for my needs as I plan on keeping this my hobby and only painting 1 or maybe 2 tractors per year. Does any one use hobby air, reccommend it, or recommend against it?

Secondly, what paint system, do you think would be a good next step for me? This is where you can let your opinions and preferences fly, because I'm listening. Keep in mind, I live in the middle of nowhere, and I'm not sure where I can buy many of the brands of paint, I'll have to research that when the time comes. Any other opinions you want to share I'd be glad to read. Thanks again.
David

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BOBM25

01-19-2007 12:41:27




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 Re: Painting advice (long post) in reply to WyoDave, 01-14-2007 14:49:35  
Dave, I am 26 and painted my first tractor (a SMTAD) between Christmas and New Years. I haven't done much painting myself, but I have a good friend who has been painting cars and stuff since high school. I've helped him in the past, so I knew a little, but not much. I learned alot. We always used an HVLP gun. This time my friend found an old gun and paint pot, we decided to give it a try. There is probably a better name for it, but its basically just a bucket with a lid that you sit on the floor. You hook your air supply to that, then just carry a small gun and a light, short end of hose instead of a long 3/8 dirty air hose, gun and quart of paint. It worked great. I gave the entire tractor (minus fuel tank, hood, nose cone and fenders) 3 coats with a gallon and a half of paint. My friend painted a WD45 with an HVLP a while back, took 3 gallons to do the same. I used an etching primer then Nason filler/sealer primer then DuPont 7410. Turned out AWESOME! I'm a beginner too, but still a perfectionist. I'm real happy with the results. The paint just seemed to stick to the primer, wasn't real hard to keep it from running. The primer is a real flat gray, the shiny red was a strong contrast, so it was easy to see what was covered and what wasn't. I chose the DuPont partly because of local availability and cost. 140 a sprayable gallon. The cheap urethanes were in the neighboor hood of about 180 here, (DuPont Imron was 280!) plus I didn't care for the match to IH red they had. Good luck and have fun

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jubilee johnny

01-18-2007 09:12:39




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 Re: Painting advice (long post) in reply to WyoDave, 01-14-2007 14:49:35  
I'm like you in that I live about 75 miles from a city of a size that has more than one brand of paint. I do have a napa store which I am pleased with the availabilaty of martin senour products. One thing I do is to purchase my john deere paints, yellow, green, and black, from the jd tractor dealer in quantities that I don't run out. Then I can get things like hardeners, laquer thinners, and reducers, etc from napa. Napa can mix a good jd green, too, but I have always used paint from the jd dealer. There are as many opinions about that on this forum as there are participants so you have to make up your own mind on what brand you use. Good luck. This is OT but when I was in first grade we lived in Casper (1961) and my wife and I got married on a ranch near Jackson Hole, and I have 100 acres up near Wheatland. I love Wyoming even though I live in North Carolina now we're going to retire up there "someday" so I may have to get my paint where you get yours!

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Cliff Neubauer

01-17-2007 10:04:12




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 Re: Painting advice (long post) in reply to WyoDave, 01-14-2007 14:49:35  
Are there any body shops near you that you could talk to about paint? A small town locally owned body shop can be your best friend in a situation like this because they know the products available in your area and which suppliers are good to work with. I use mostly PPG products because that's what most of the local body shops use and since the local dealer moves alot of product they know what they are doing.

I have a Hobbyair system that's served me well but I wish I would have gone with the Hobbyair II system so I could run more than 40' of hose but other wise I have no complaints with it.

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Rod (NH)

01-14-2007 16:05:09




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 Re: Painting advice (long post) in reply to WyoDave, 01-14-2007 14:49:35  
Hello David,

I'll provide a variation of your grandfather's quote: If I only knew at 24 what I know now.... Oh well. Anyway you seem to be making some excellent choices so far; in particular the desire to pursue supplied-air safety equipment for use with modern automotive paints. It will open up a lot of better-quality, more durable paint choices for you. You'll only be limited by cost and local availability. You should choose a manufacturer based on local availability. I'm fond of PPG but also like DuPont. Martin Senour is another one that many NAPA stores carry. My recommendation would be to start with a single stage urethane in any of the major manufacturer's "economy" lines. If it happens to be PPG, then it would be in their OMNI line as MTK. If it's DuPont, then it would be in their NASON line as Ful-Thane. Martin Senour also has such a line of paints called CrossFire, but I don't know any more details about them. You can also move up to the two stage basecoat/clearcoat systems if you wish and if cost is no particular object, to the premium automotive lines in any of the above manufacturers.

You can find out if there is a PPG jobber handy to you by doing a postal zip code search at their site here. DuPont has a similar search service at their site here. Just click on "jobber locator" on the left. Whatever paint you decide to move up to next, make sure you get all the technical data sheets (also called P-sheets) from the manufacturer's website. They should also be available where you purchase the paint but I wouldn't bet on it. Plus, the salesperson might not be aware of them. You need those sheets to properly use the product.

As far as supplied-air equipment goes, it's matter of personal preference, special needs and cost. I happen to prefer a compressor-supplied system rather than a turbine supplied system system because it uses a small diameter, standard 3/8 air hose that can be of any reasonable length. A turbine supplied system will have a larger diameter hose with limited lengths. For that reason I would find it harder to maneuver around a vehicle using it. I also prefer a full face piece over a hood. However, if you wear glasses, a hood would be the correct choice instead of a full facepiece. The Hobby-Air is popular because of it's reasonable cost for the DIY. CNKS uses one so he can provide specific info to you from a user standpoint. There is also another turbine system similar to the Hobby-Air marketed on Ebay but the name escapes me at this time. As I recall, it's price is a little better than the Hobby-Air. I'm not arguing against the Hobby-Air. I am sure it would satisfy your needs at a reasonable price.

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B-maniac

01-14-2007 16:34:23




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 Re: Painting advice (long post) in reply to Rod (NH), 01-14-2007 16:05:09  
Rod pretty much answered your questions , at least until you get into specifics. The reason I chimed in is to tell you how refreshing it is not only that a 24 yr old has the passion to tackle this profession (even for a hobby) but also have the skills to effectively convey to others exactly where you are , where you want to be and the help you need to get there. You have a future in whatever you pursue. It's all about communication. Best of luck.

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WyoDave

01-14-2007 17:17:11




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 Re: Painting advice (long post) in reply to B-maniac, 01-14-2007 16:34:23  
Thanks guys. I'm saving your posts, and any other posts added. I used the locators, and I've got some suppliers that are 75 miles away. Might be as local as I get. I live in a real rural area, and that is pretty typical. I appreciate the help, and I'll make sure to get some more help from you after I choose a paint. I'll have to do some research on the lines you suggested. Thanks again.
David

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Rod (NH)

01-14-2007 18:10:36




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 Re: Painting advice (long post) in reply to WyoDave, 01-14-2007 17:17:11  
75 miles would be way too far for me. Do you have a NAPA store anywhere near you? If so, check if they carry Martin Senour paints. Also do you have any autobody shops within a reasonable distance? If so, you might ask them where they get their paint. There are other quality manufacturers besides PPG, DuPont and Martin Senour - just not in my own local area.



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WyoDave

01-14-2007 18:22:52




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 Re: Painting advice (long post) in reply to Rod (NH), 01-14-2007 18:10:36  
Well, I kind of have a Napa store in my home town(15 miles away). They sell NAPA merchandise, but they don't go under the name "NAPA". The business is still a private name, so I don't know if they carry Martin Senour paints or not. I'll ask when I'm in next. There is a body shop in town, and I know the owner so next time I see him, I'll ask. 75 miles isn't that bad for me, there were kids in my K-12 school that lived 40 miles away from school. Alot of nothing in this area.
David

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CNKS

01-14-2007 17:29:00




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 Re: Painting advice (long post) in reply to WyoDave, 01-14-2007 17:17:11  
Hobby Air is ok. It is a little clutzy, meaning you have to drag around what amounts to a heavy duty garden hose. I use a hood rather than the full mask, I wear glasses and the hood may be a littler easier to use. Rod is likely right about the compressor hose. Plus I get protection from the shoulders up. You will get hot air out of it, but I notice that mostly for sandblasting, rather than painting, which I never do for more than a few minutes at a time. Overall it works fine.

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