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DAVID WORDEN

01-17-2007 00:58:52

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HAVE RESTORED A FEW DIFFERENT TRACTORS I AM NOT ABLE TO GET A GOOD GLOSSY FINISH ON MY PAINT JOBS
AM NOT SURE WHAT I AM DOING WRONG. IE GUN AIR PRESSURE, WRONG MIX OF THINNERS I DONT KNOW ANY SUGGESTIONS

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souNdguy

01-22-2007 07:03:26

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Re: BAD PAINT FINISH in reply to DAVID WORDEN, 01-17-2007 00:58:52

Not much info to go on.. but if you have the air turned way up.. ad/or anr not getting much paint on the syphon.. it will come out more a matte finish.

Also.. are you using a hardner.. the proper hardner for your paint type and brand? That will effect lustre.. etc.

Also.. are you using ad-ins.. like fish eye remover? they can detract from the finish.. if not needed.

post back with more info.

Soundguy

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rustyj14

01-22-2007 11:34:04

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Re: BAD PAINT FINISH in reply to souNdguy, 01-22-2007 07:03:26

Fisheye remover does not cause dry-looking finishes! It does keep any oil, grease, silicones, polish, from contaminating the finish as it is being sprayed! A few drops in a gallon of paint are enough to protect the finish as it is being applied! Much better than a do-over, especially with todays paint and material costs! I do think your main problem is one that ketches all new spray painters! They are afraid of getting runs, or too dry, or too wet, or too much paint, or---ad infinitum. Ask me how i know! When my boss told me i had to paint that high metallic bronze color on a 1951 Ford Crestliner tudor sedan, and get it right, with no experience with synthetic enamel---guess how i felt! Scared? You bet! But, it turned out alright! Didn't skimp on material, just took my time! But with a garage next door that did wash and wax jobs on cars--Smoothie was the only way to get the paint job to not come out with a zillion fisheyes! I refinished cars and trucks for 50+ years, for a living. The hardener in the later paints finally got to me, so i had to quit! Its wearing off now, after 10 years, but it was part of the job!

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souNdguy

01-22-2007 12:35:09

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Re: BAD PAINT FINISH in reply to rustyj14, 01-22-2007 11:34:04

Never mind.. i give up on this forum. Too many 'experts' giving exact 100% opposite advice...

Soundguy

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CNKS

01-23-2007 08:04:53

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Re: BAD PAINT FINISH in reply to souNdguy, 01-22-2007 12:35:09

You don't need to give up, Rusty has his opinion, you have yours. Rusty worked in an environment where he probably need fisheye remover. Most hobbiests, including you and I don't have that envirnoment, and can take the time to remove the contaminants from whatever we are painting, and take precautions to not have them floating around in the air. As to whether or not it causes dullness, I don't have a clue, and never will have, because I will never use it because of the "perceived" problems with it. Your advice on this forum is appreciated, even if you and I do not agree on the quality of paint to use!

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souNdguy

01-23-2007 10:43:55

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Re: BAD PAINT FINISH in reply to CNKS, 01-23-2007 08:04:53

It's true.. we don't always agree on the quality of paints. (i'm ok with that by the way.. i don't see it as a problem.. just a difference in opinions.. like what food's a person eats.. etc..).. but actually.. we may be agreeing... I freely admit the paints I use are economy. I'm sure you will agree on that one. I happen to be fine with economy paints.. For my uses.. and storage habits.. they are holding up fine. If I had other uses or storage habits.. I may be inclined to go to a higher quality paint or painting system like you and some of the others use.

The only issue i have ( not with you, by the way.. I respect your knowledge and candor on this subject ).. is that a good population of the painters here can post some info and be in mutual agreement.. then another person comes along and disclaims all of it.. then jumps on someone... that's all.

Soundguy

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souNdguy

01-22-2007 12:33:50

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Re: BAD PAINT FINISH in reply to rustyj14, 01-22-2007 11:34:04

I've had experienced painters tell me the opposite.. that FER did compromise, ( slightly) the look of the finish.

Soundguy

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rustyj14

01-21-2007 11:41:27

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Re: BAD PAINT FINISH in reply to DAVID WORDEN, 01-17-2007 00:58:52

before doing the next refinish job, better get yerself off to the local auto body repair shop, and ask if you can take some old fenders and door panels home, to practice on! That way, you can decide how much paint you can put on in 1-2-3 coats, to get the gloss you desire. My first over-all refinish job fell to me because the regular painter was drunk, so i got the job. And, it was a high metallic color! Well, i soon found out how to mix and apply that color, and the other colors, too, since that guy got fired. Paint the panels flat, and vertically. That way you can learn the techniques of refinishing with the resultant glossy finish! I think your problem is too little paint in the final 2 coats!

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jubilee johnny

01-18-2007 06:52:46

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Re: BAD PAINT FINISH in reply to DAVID WORDEN, 01-17-2007 00:58:52

It is true you havn't given much information to go on as per your paint products and techniques so it is difficult to diagnose. It could be a combination of things as well. So, if the surface is prepared right with the right primers and sealer with no contaminants, you have a good quality paint with hardener and reducers at the proper proportions, you have a non-contaminated supply of air at the proper pressure to a good quality spray gun, with the air temperature and humidity proper, then most likely you are too tenative in your spraying technique and not getting an adequate cover of paint, particularly on your last coat. Maybe you are afraid of runs and your spray gun is too far away from the surface or spraying too fast. Perhaps you should get an experienced automotive painter to critique you and work with you on your next project.

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glennster

01-17-2007 07:46:17

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Re: BAD PAINT FINISH in reply to DAVID WORDEN, 01-17-2007 00:58:52

need a little more information. what brand paints are you using? primers ect. what does the paint surface look like, dull mottled, fisheyes, dirt ect. what temperature are you spraying at? gun pressure? typre of spray gun?

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rustyj14

01-29-2007 17:14:56

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Re: BAD PAINT FINISH in reply to glennster, 01-17-2007 07:46:17

Yes, there a lot of extenuating circumstances in refinishing either tractors, or trucks and cars. And there are many ways to get in trouble when doing painting with a spray gun. The fisheye problem has bedeviled auto painters (et al) ever since the silicone polishes came on the market, and even before that time! Any type of oil or wax or polish will damage the outcome of the finish, or when spraying! Not many farm or lawn tractors are exposed to car polish, in their lives. Oh, there are some that are polished by their owners regularly. But not as many as cars and trucks! And, a refinish job on a car or truck, takes a lot of prep work, before the first app of paint! And, if the painter doesn't really wash the old finish really well with a wax and grease remover, he'll live to regret it. Now, lets say you did everything correctly, in the prep work before painting. So when all is ready, you start spraying, and get halfway around, after cutting in the edges of doors, hood, and trunk, go back and fill the spray gun for finishing the first coat, and there, in what you had just applied, are fisheyes as big as quarters! CRAP. RATS, DANG!!! And, that could have been avoided, by 3-4 drops of FEE, but because someone uninitiated in the art of auto and truck painting with synthetic enamel, or any of the new paints, said us old auto and truck painters don't know the score, or some other goofy statements, and the FEE wasn't used! And then comes a frantic session of washing off all of that expensive paint, including the door jambs, in the hood and trunk openings, and, doing this before the paint dries! And, you can't just add the FEE to the second coat, without washing the first coat off! So, have at it, all of you educated nay-sayers. But, remenber---1 fisheye can be 3 inches across, and nothing short of cleaning it all off will get rid of them. And, i'd suggest using a couple drops of FEE in the paint before doing it again! Amen: Rusty Jones

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