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Farmallgray

01-19-2007 17:21:33




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I know it has been harped on here about not using pvc pipe for air lines. I have been doing some research lately on hydronic heating and the PEX tubing used for it. There is some that is rated for high enough pressure (160 psi). I was wondering if anyone has ever tried it. It is fairly cheap and easy to work with.




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MarkB_MI

01-21-2007 05:44:20




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 Re: Air line plumbing in reply to Farmallgray, 01-19-2007 17:21:33  
PEX is not rated for compressed air, and it also cannot be installed where it is exposed to sunlight, as UV will damage it. I'm sure it's a much better choice than PVC or air, but that's not saying much.

There is a variant of PEX called PEX-Al-PEX which is a composite of an aluminum tube with a PEX coating inside and outside. I believe it is acceptable for compressed air, but the price approaches that of black pipe.

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Farmallgray

01-21-2007 08:08:29




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 Re: Air line plumbing in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-21-2007 05:44:20  
That is good to know. I do remember reading about not exposing some Pex to sunlight. I'm not ready to start plumbing it for a while yet-just thinking ahead. I'll do more research on the Al stuff. As far as price, I'm more concerned about ease of use. I have worked with pipe threaders and do have access to one, but Pex seems like it would be so much easier to install and add on to in the future.



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city farmer

01-20-2007 16:06:07




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 Re: Air line plumbing in reply to Farmallgray, 01-19-2007 17:21:33  
do not use pvc piping for air includung pex pipe all manufactors recomend not to use for air have been in plumbing a long time have seen many accidents where the pvc has exsploded and caused damaged to people and to things around the pipe that exsploded yes i will work but for how long before someone gets hurt all pvc is rated for high enough preasure but it is made for liquid not air no some one that lost an eye doing this when it goes it shatters like hangernade went off so use copper black steel or galv pipe

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Rod (NH)

01-20-2007 10:54:00




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 Re: Air line plumbing in reply to Farmallgray, 01-19-2007 17:21:33  
Hi,

I am not aware of any brittle fracture issues with polyethylene pipe, including PEX. I doubt you'd have a problem as long as you consider the drop in safe working pressure relative to temperature. All the various plastic pipe materials exhibit a pressure-temperature relationship where the safe working pressure decreases as the temperature increases. The "common" pressure rating that you generally see is one at "normal" temperatures - e.g. 70 or 73 deg F. Contact the manufacturer for the full rating table. Or check to see if there are any P-T rating tables on the web for PEX. That is especially important when single stage compressors with small storage tanks are worked hard. The tank itself and the adjacent piping can get pretty hot and the safe working pressure of plastic pipe used in that vicinity could be exceeded. Just something to check out for your own satisfaction. Possible UV degradation should aslo be considered if it will be exposed to sunlight through windows. Again, information from the manufacturer should be sought out in that regard. In any event, I agree with Fred that a metallic piping system is a better choice, if for no other reason than the factor he mentions concerning better heat transfer and moisture condensation. I prefer copper myself but black iron (steel) piping has been the standard material for such service for many, many years.

For those who have used PVC for compressed air at any pressure and not had a problem, I recommend you reconsider your use of it before you do have an incident that could result in serious injury. You will not find any manufacturer of PVC pipe today that recommends using it with compressed air - too much legal liability for them. That should be a sign. It's your risk and your choice, but at least you should be aware of the safety hazard involved, plus the potential legal ramifications if you employ anyone in such an environment. The web is an excellent place to get such information if you want to make the effort. A good place to start is here.

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TIMAR

01-20-2007 09:20:14




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 Re: Air line plumbing in reply to Farmallgray, 01-19-2007 17:21:33  
I used 3/4 sch 40 pvc in my shop with no problems. I run 175 psi. Sch 40 is rated to 400 psi. Just be careful when turning the air on. Do it slowly.



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wgm

01-21-2007 18:00:53




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 Re: Air line plumbing in reply to TIMAR, 01-20-2007 09:20:14  
Don't know of any solvent welded joint rated @ 400 PSI.



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Flying Dollar

01-19-2007 21:59:42




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 Re: Air line plumbing in reply to Farmallgray, 01-19-2007 17:21:33  
I have 3/4 in pvc line in my shop. I only go up to 100psi. I have not have any problems



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Fred45

01-19-2007 17:28:52




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 Re: Air line plumbing in reply to Farmallgray, 01-19-2007 17:21:33  
In my opinion, black iron pipe is your best bet. The metal will stay cool and tend to condense out any moisture in the air. Tap your supplies for tools, etc. off the top of your main line and install some Ts ponted down to collect moisture.

Fred



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