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SproutW

01-30-2007 07:57:18




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If you understand my heading then congratulations. I have very little experience with painting myself. My father started painting a project and it turned out terrible. He bought a HVLP gravity feed Kobalt sprayer purchased at Lowes. Either using the primer or top coats the paint would blotch on the surface he was painting. Many refer to this as orange peel but I thought it looked worse. He attempted to thin his paints and even read he needed to keep his sprayer farther away from the painted surface. nothing seemed to help and his surface is so bumpy that it looks like the surface of the moon. He cleaned his gun real well and we are looking for any ideas. I'm sure something needs to be changed but the directions were very limited and not much help for the gun. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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CNKS

01-30-2007 18:53:32




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 Re: Paint Blotching in reply to SproutW, 01-30-2007 07:57:18  
The max pressure is stamped on the gun, or in the accompanying instructions. Set that pressure according to a gauge mounted on the gun, and do not change it -- that is the way the gun is supposed to operate, and unless you change the size of the pattern (a bad idea) it never needs to be changed. Before putting paint in the gun: Turn the fluid control almost all the way out. Then pull the trigger and turn the fluid control in until resistance is felt on the trigger. Turn in no more than 1/2 additional turn. Set the pattern control 1/4-1/2 turn in from wide open. If the gun is clean, that will give you the correct pattern, you will never need to mess with it. The gun should be held 6 inches +/- very little from the surface. The gun should be moved relativey slowly -- that he will have to experiment with. If he is using quality paint, meaning PPG/DuPont, etc, the mixing instructions are very precise and he does not need to deviate at all from those instructions. If you are using tractor store paint, i.e. alkyd enamel, that is thinned between 4:1 and 8:1 paint to reducer, likely much closer to 4:1. I cannot give an exact figure because I don't use that kind of paint. Sounds to me like the pressure is too high, gun is held too far from the surface, gun is moved too fast, paint is too thin, reducer (thinner) is too "hot" for the temperature, wrong reducer or thinner, temperature much too low (65-70 is ideal), or any combination of the above. Make sure the primer is compatible with the topcoat (use the same brand), clean the surface with wax and grease remover, not paint thinner or gasoline, or anything else. Do that and he should get an acceptable finish that will improve with experience.

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CNKS

01-30-2007 19:00:18




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 Re: Paint Blotching in reply to CNKS, 01-30-2007 18:53:32  
I forgot the tip size. For HVLP, 1.3-1.5 mm for topcoats, (I use 1.3), the same for primers that do not need to be sanded, 1.6-1.8 for very heavy filler primers or surfacers -- those need to be sanded anyway.



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SproutW

01-31-2007 11:06:00




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 Re: Paint Blotching in reply to CNKS, 01-30-2007 19:00:18  
The temp was about 70 degrees. He was using the cheapy paints so I'm sure the mixture was off. You brought alot of great info to the table CNKS and I'll forward the information, thanks a bunch to all.



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glennster

01-30-2007 13:12:05




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 Re: Paint Blotching in reply to SproutW, 01-30-2007 07:57:18  
what type of paint are you using and who is the manufacturer? what temperature is your spray area? could also be you are laying the paint too dry, ie moving the gun too fast too. what air pressure is the gun set at?



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SproutW

01-30-2007 12:06:50




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 Re: Paint Blotching in reply to SproutW, 01-30-2007 07:57:18  
He prepped the materials well and with the proper chemicals. I bet he did not thin the paint enough. He sprayed clean cardboard and had the same orange peel effect. Just didn't know if he needed different sized tips with different paints. The instructions had nothing on that topic.



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souNdguy

02-01-2007 06:40:14




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 Re: Paint Blotching in reply to SproutW, 01-30-2007 12:06:50  
I have to agree with the thinning issue. I'm a cheap paint user, and I always run a test spray on a piece of sheet metal (scrap) to make sure i have my paint thinned correctly before going to the work piece. it the texture looks grainy.. it is deffinately too thick.. or you have your fluid controll set too low and not enough paint is being fed ( I use a syphon gun.. not GF.. ) so that may be a little different on your gun.

What thinner you using? And what paint?

I like Naptha as a thinner for spraying.. and MS as a thinner for brush touch up.

anything else you mixing into it?

Soundguy

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rustyj14

01-30-2007 09:02:28




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 Re: Paint Blotching in reply to SproutW, 01-30-2007 07:57:18  
He probably didn't thin/ reduce the paint enough! Inexperience with the materials used, the spray equipment, and the technique of spray painting, is most of his trouble! Also, doing a final wash with anything other than mineral spirits, or the proper stuff he should use, will cause troubles. If he used gasoline--ugh! Gasoline can not be used for that. Rustyj



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