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RobJJ

04-02-2007 14:58:15




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I see that paint can be bought from Yesterday's for $39 for a gallon...It is TISCO. Can anyone comment as to how good the paint is? I'm new to tractors, but I'm used to paying up to $400 a gallon for paint for autos for a quality paint. Is this paint a quality paint, or should I use an auto type paint?
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circus

04-03-2007 05:03:13




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 Re: Paint question in reply to RobJJ, 04-02-2007 14:58:15  
I agree with prior comments. I'm not familiar with Tisco but alkyd enamel is utilitarian. Lasts just as long but chalks after a year or so. If looking for quality on a budget use commercial polyurethane. It equals automotive quality at ¼ the price. Limited selection of colors though.



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Rod (NH)

04-02-2007 17:13:15




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 Re: Paint question in reply to RobJJ, 04-02-2007 14:58:15  
Hi Rob,

I'll certainly second what Glen said.

It's not the brand but the chemistry that distinguishes a "better" paint from a "good" paint. TISCO paint is an alkyd enamel. There's a reason such a chemistry has not been used by automobile OEMs in forty years or more. It is an old technology that lacks the color and gloss retention and chemical resistance of modern automotive paints, which are almost exclusively of urethane chemistry. If your goal is simple and inexpensive metal protection, then TISCO would be a good choice. If, on the other hand you want better long term performance from a paint - even for a working tractor - I believe you need to set your sights a little higher. Generally, the higher the price, the better the paint. There is no such thing as a free lunch. However, you do not need to get into the $400 per gallon higher end auto paints to get the majority of the performance benefits of a urethane. Excellent performance for the buck can be obtained with a urethane, single stage or base/clear, in the "economy" or "value" lines of any of the major automotive paint suppliers. The NASON line from DuPont and the OMNI line from PPG are too such product lines. Primarily because of less precise color matching to OEM auto paint, these lines are generally recommended for overall paint jobs only and not for collision repair work. For tractor painting however, precise color matching to some auto manufacturer code is not an issue. The price of an economy line urethane is about one third the cost of the similar high-end product used in collision repair shops. I can't make the value judgement for you. I can say that I have used an economy single stage urethane on my working AC-B and have never regretted it. It's outside in the weather 24/7/365 and the color and gloss is as good as when I first painted it about five years ago. The occasional gasoline spill when I am pouring into the tank from a gas can does not damage the paint. I think that kind of performance is worth about three times the cost of an alkyd paint chemistry, even for a working tractor. This all assumes you have access to supplied-air breathing equipment for safely using paint products containing isocyanates. If not, your choices are pretty much limited to alkyds such as TISCO or other brands or the few acrylic enamels that can be used w/o hardener additives. There are also some hybrid alkyd/acrylic chemistries out there that claim to improve on the alkyd performance. Those are usually found in the industrial rather than automotive lines of major paint manufacturers such as DuPont and PPG.

For a brief history of paint chemistry and performance see this.

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GlenIdaho

04-02-2007 16:16:37




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 Re: Paint question in reply to RobJJ, 04-02-2007 14:58:15  
Rob; I'm fairly new to tractors also but this forum and the Ford Forum have taught me quite a bit and still learning. I'm rebuilding my Ford 850 and using Omni epoxy primer and acrylic urethane. They are both made by PPG. My tractor is going to be a working tractor, but I want it to look good and for the paint to last. It sounds like you have a lot of experience with auto paint so you know the old saying is true, you get what you pay for. With that said, from what I've gleaned from everyone, it really depends on what you want. If you're going to have a working tractor that is worked hard, it may not be cost effective to use a higher price paint. It you want a show tractor, then go with the quality paint. If you're like me you may settle for the middle of the road. Well, there are some real experts who can give you their thoughts, this is my two cents. Have fun with your tractor.

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