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what primer to use under urethane enamel

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tractor Hank

05-01-2007 13:02:32




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I am getting ready to paint my tractor soon. I am now in the process of using electrolysis to get rid of old paint and rust. It is working fantastic!! - takes the rust off usually overnight. I have quite a few pieces to clean and I want to know what primer to spray them with after they come out of the electrolysis bath until I am ready to paint all of the pieces in about 3 weeks with either an acrylic or urethane enamel. I am leaning towards the urethane enamel. Do they have a primer in a rattle spray can that will be compatible with the urethane in 2-3 weeks that I can use so I don't have to dirty up my spray gun everytime I have a tractor piece cleaned. Any help will be appreciated as I want to do this entire tractor from start to finished restoration myself. Also any recomendation on where to get reasonable priced air breathing supply system.

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Brad_bb

05-03-2007 07:10:17




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 Re: what primer to use under urethane enamel in reply to tractor Hank , 05-01-2007 13:02:32  
I"ve never heard of urethane enamel. There"s acrylic urethane and then there"s acrylic enamel. Acrylic Urethane is much better.



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Tractor Hank

05-03-2007 14:31:01




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 Re: what primer to use under urethane enamel in reply to Brad_bb, 05-03-2007 07:10:17  
Brad, you are correct, I meant acrylic urethane. Sorry about that, I'm still learning all of this stuff.



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Rod (NH)

05-03-2007 15:39:21




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 Re: what primer to use under urethane enamel in reply to Tractor Hank , 05-03-2007 14:31:01  
Actually the term "urethane enamel" is not uncommon and is used by most of the big names in paint. See here, here and here for example. You'll find various combinations of the terms "alkyd", "acrylic", "enamel", "urethane", "modified" and "poly" used to describe an enamel type of paint. You'd have to be a research chemist with the unique knowledge of the make-up of each of the combinations to sort it all out. One of the mysteries that I always had was why PPG chose to call their Delstar acrylic enamel as a "polyurethane acrylic enamel" when used with their DXR80 hardener additive. See here. Did the marketing department win out on that one? It's not new. They've used that terminology for over 30 years. Under the broad definition of enamel, they are all part of the same basic family.

Rod

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john_bud

05-02-2007 07:04:21




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 Re: what primer to use under urethane enamel in reply to tractor Hank , 05-01-2007 13:02:32  
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Rod (NH)

05-01-2007 14:47:33




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 Re: what primer to use under urethane enamel in reply to tractor Hank , 05-01-2007 13:02:32  
Hi,

My personal preference for a bare metal primer is a two-part automotive epoxy. I use PPG's OMNI MP170. It should be compatible with any topcoat from any manufacturer. Such epoxies are not available in a rattle can because they have a short pot life after the components are mixed together. They are iso-free however. For small parts that don't justify using you spray gun, you might want to consider the very inexpensive Preval Sprayer. The power heads are only a few dollars. I wouldn't want to paint a tractor hood with one but they do work with the epoxy I use for small parts. I've used one w/o the glass container - using a throwaway 3oz paper drinking cup instead. It takes two hands that way but works well with essentially no cleanup. The thing you should be aware of with the automotive epoxy is that if you go past the recoat window (3 days for the MP170 - different for others), you should scuff the part with a Scotch-Brite hand pad and reshoot a coat of epoxy prior to topcoating. It really is not as much trouble as it sounds. That scenario will provide you with the very best protection of your cleaned parts until such time that you can complete the painting, even if you leave them out in the rain in the interim. Or even spill gasoline on them.

Another option for you is to use a product like Picklex 20 to protect the metal from rusting until such time that you can prime and paint. I've used that method very successfully when it was too cold to prime. It's fairly pricey stuff but goes a long way and is worth it in my opinion.

The least expensive commercial fresh air breathing systems that I am aware of are the Breathe-Cool system from Turbine Products (also available on Ebay) and the Hobby-Air system from Axis Products. Both are available in different configurations from on-line suppliers. I have never personally used either of them. There are others that post here that have used one or the other so hopefully you will get some input from actual users.

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