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jr150hp

05-06-2007 08:19:14




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hey guys i have a very pitted up wagner loader i'm finding out how bad it is as i remove the 5 coats of paint. Once i get all the paint of i'm going to try to get to shiny metal but i don't think that will take all the pits out some are just to deep. Also there are some very bad weld jobs on it i'm going to grind some of the weld off and i was going to smooth the areas with some 5 min jb weld i've had good luck painting over jb weld before Whats my best option to make this look smooth and sleek. Any type of filler primer? Thanks Jr.

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Brad_bb

05-17-2007 12:21:24




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 Re: pitted metal in reply to jr150hp, 05-06-2007 08:19:14  
This is bodyworking 101. Get to clean bare metal. Remove all traces of rust and bodywork. First do the rough out work with regular spreadable filler and 80-150 grit(the deep pits and dents etc). Then you can use sprayable filler and 150-180 grit. That is sprayable filler not sprayable polyester primer. I use Clausen"s Rust Defender. There are a couple other makers of similar products, but this is what I like and it contains rust inhibitors. The only online source I found for it is>Link
Then>Link you can use filler primer and 320 grit.
Then Epoxy seal(I like PPG DPLF). Then paint.
Repeat the sprayable filler step until you are happy with surface. You can fog a coat of contrasting color on it too before sanding so you can see highs and lows as you sand.
Sanding technique is important too. Use a medium soft pad and 6 inch sticky discs. Do it right and your panels will come out looking like new.

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David Maddux

05-16-2007 20:42:06




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 Re: pitted metal in reply to jr150hp, 05-06-2007 08:19:14  
The good thing about that icing, is that is a two part product and there is no shrinkage with it.



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glennster

05-07-2007 10:28:43




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 Re: pitted metal in reply to jr150hp, 05-06-2007 08:19:14  
another option would be to use a sprayable polyester filler, like the old featherfill. you plow this stuff on with a spraygun with a 2.o tip, then sand it smooth. its basically a sprayable hi build filler primer. you could spray it then hit it with a d/a sander with some 320 on it to get it smooth.



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jr150hp

05-07-2007 07:05:46




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 Re: pitted metal in reply to jr150hp, 05-06-2007 08:19:14  
hi glen and thanks circus yes i have heard of icing i'm going to check the archives and learn how to use it . if i can't sandblast can i use a rust buster to ice over ? i have noway to sand blast other than take the whole thing to the locale blaster. Thanks JR.



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GlenIdaho

05-07-2007 08:53:36




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 Re: pitted metal in reply to jr150hp, 05-07-2007 07:05:46  
JR; I've used rust removers before and found that they don't remove all of the rust. Can you get to the rust with a wire wheel on a buffer or angle grander. I've done that before and it does a good job removing the rust. You can then use something to convert the rest. (There's differing opinions as to whether a converter really works) The follow with the Icing and seal with a good epoxy primer.

I have used POR 15 which is a good sealer, but I don't know that the Icing or body filler would adhere to it. You're right the archives are a good place to look. Hope this helps.

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circus

05-06-2007 14:46:05




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 Re: pitted metal in reply to jr150hp, 05-06-2007 08:19:14  
Don't grind out the deep pits. There wont be any metal left. Sandblast it. There can't be any rust in the pits. Apply bondo working it in from several directions to avoid voids. Sand or grind smooth then apply urethane or polyester primer surfacer. After dry spray a primer mist coat of contrasting color. Sand until all the contrasting primer is gone. Prime and paint.



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GlenIdaho

05-06-2007 14:32:43




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 Re: pitted metal in reply to jr150hp, 05-06-2007 08:19:14  
Hi JR; There are several products on the market. You can use regular body filler but the body putty seems to be easier to use. I just bought what is called "Icing" which was recommended by a local paint shop and by some on this forum. I bought it for the same thing you need it for. Check out the archives using "body filler" as the search words. You'll find pictures of the products. Hope this helps you.

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