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Paint remover for aluminum

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F-I-T

06-07-2007 08:38:23




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I'm "overhauling" a D-65 pedal tractor for grandson #1. It looks bad, but there are no cracks in the castings, so it 's a good restoration candidate. It has been painted with Oliver Green brushed on enamel, some sort of white stuff that I can hardly get to lift, and for you Farmall fans, there's even some red paint on the axle housings.

If it was steel or iron, it would be in my electrolysis tank, or at least getting the lye gravy treatment, but being aluminum, I can't go caustic for fear that the base metal will pit. I normally use something with a lot of Methylene Chloride in it like Zip-Strip, but after half a gallon, it's coming off, but very slowly and it really needs coaxing off using a small wire brush. It just gets gummy and sort of rolls off.

At this rate, I will get it cleaned, but I was wondering if anyone out there had another product to suggest. I don't want to hit it with my sandblaster, as I feel you lose too much detail that way with the eroding of the soft metal, and if it were to be blasted, it really should be with plastic media.

Used to be you could find aircraft stripping products out there with Butyl Alcohol in them, which I would go to when up against an epoxy, which I think that white stuff may be, but I have not been successful finding any. They probably went the way of Phisohex. I might even try some Methyl Ethyl Ketone to see if it will lift it and flush the surface clean.

Appreciate any leads. Oh, and what do you use for a primer for aluminum? Is a traditional DP-40/90 all right? I would like to finish it with my traditional acrylic enamel, wet sand, clear coat method, or I might opt for a base coat/clear coat, but I need a primer that will stick and be tough enough for the kid to knock it around.

Frank

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Rod (NH)

06-07-2007 09:47:24




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 Re: Paint remover for aluminum in reply to F-I-T, 06-07-2007 08:38:23  
Hi Frank,

PPG's DP (now DPLF w/o lead) series of epoxy primers are some of the best bare metal primers out there - for steel or aluminum or anything else. And they have been for many years. It's pricey nowadays and I personally believe PPG's OMNI MP170 is just as good at a significant cost savings. I used to use DP 40 exclusively but changed to MP170 a few years ago because of cost. I have noticed no practical difference in them.

As far as aluminim cleaning, I have used the extra fine version of Black Beauty sandblast grit on an aluminum rocker cover which I clearcoated years ago. The extra fine, more like a powder than a grit, did not leave a noticeable blast profile in the cast aluminum and the clearcoating preserved the aluminum appearance for a long time in a Honda Accord engine compartment. After a couple of years, it did darken but still looked very nice. After any paint and oxidation removal, the aluminum should be cleaned and conditioned with specialized acidic preps before priming with epoxy. The treatments in PPG are DX533, aluminum cleaner and DX503 aluminum conditioner. If you are going to clear the aluminum directly (no primer or paint), then replace the DX503 with DX501, the clear version of the aluminum conditioner. You can find the tech sheets for the PPG metal treatments here.

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F-I-T

06-07-2007 10:11:49




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 Re: Paint remover for aluminum in reply to Rod (NH), 06-07-2007 09:47:24  
Thanks Rod. Since my local paint guy is a PPG dealer, those numbers should make sense to him. I know that while pre-cleaning is really important whatever the substrate, it seems to be even more critical with aluminum. The tractor will be painted on every surface, so I'll focus on the products that you recommended for that process.

Thanks again guys!

Frank-in-Tallahassee



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glennster

06-07-2007 09:16:18




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 Re: Paint remover for aluminum in reply to F-I-T, 06-07-2007 08:38:23  
see if you can find someone in your area that does soda blasting. basically they use baking soda as a medium instead of sand. a lot less aggresive, it will take the paint off but wont hurt the base metal.



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F-I-T

06-07-2007 09:42:54




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 Re: Paint remover for aluminum in reply to glennster, 06-07-2007 09:16:18  
Well, Glenn, I have soda blasted, but for this stuff, I don't think it will touch it enough to remove it before it creates a puddle of deformed metal right around the edge of the paint. What I found was that with soda, if you have to lay on the coating too hard, it will affect the bare metal while you are churning on the nearby paint. CO2 blasting would be the ticket as it chills the paint then flakes it off thermally. In Tallahassee, which is not a real big manufacturing center, we don't have much in the way of alley shops that go much beyond silica sand. I asked a local blaster once if he ever dealt with soda, and he said he had heard of it, but had never tried it.

I still think a solvent/liquid release agent is what I need, but I'll ask around again.

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glennster

06-07-2007 09:53:36




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 Re: Paint remover for aluminum in reply to F-I-T, 06-07-2007 09:42:54  
i called a buddy that paints airplanes. he uses a product made by morton, 495-1 aircraft stripper. he said give that a try, it will remove most all paints, and not damage the aluminum. the dp 40 would be a good primer for the aluminum, as its an epoxy primer.



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F-I-T

06-07-2007 10:07:44




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 Re: Paint remover for aluminum in reply to glennster, 06-07-2007 09:53:36  
Thanks for that lead! I'll try to track some down.



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Bob

06-07-2007 10:35:53




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 Re: Paint remover for aluminum in reply to F-I-T, 06-07-2007 10:07:44  
Wallaby World sells "Aircraft Remover", at least in our area, in the automotive touchup paint area.

I picked some up just the other day, and noticed it was "aluminum safe".

We used it to remove multiple HEAVY coats of paint from a steel bumper, and it did a GREAT job. NASTY STUFF, though, I'm surprised they sell it to the general public.



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