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SDE

07-26-2007 14:53:20




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I took a night class for auto body repair, strictly a hobbyists type class. Prior to painting, we would wipe the panels with DX330. In the archives, CNKS said that a person needs to clean the degreaser off after useing it.

I am a little confused by this. I respect CNKS's point of view, but I now have two sources, giving different info and would like some more input.

Thank you SDE




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SDE

07-26-2007 20:01:46




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 Re: DX 330 in reply to SDE, 07-26-2007 14:53:20  
Thank you for the excellent feedback. After reading a couple of the replies, I remembered that we used a spray bottle to put it on, and then wiped it of immediately, not allowing it to dry.

My mistake was that I thought it was considered to be a light duty degreaser. I think I am with the program now.
Thank you SDE



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Rod (NH)

07-26-2007 19:45:43




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 Re: DX 330 in reply to SDE, 07-26-2007 14:53:20  
Hi SDE,

Here's a direct link to the DX330 tech sheet that PhilC is referring to. Also, here's a good reference for the use of surface cleaners in general. These are specialty products used in the automotive refinishing industry. They are not found in hardware stores or home centers. You will find there are many different opinions on how to do something, even with the same product. The best instructions to follow are those established in writing by the product manufacturer and published in their technical data sheets. If those don't agree with what you have been told in a training class, then you should present the manufacturer's instructions to the instructor(s) and inquire as to why the written instructions are not being recommended to the class.

Believe it or not, there was a post in this forum some time ago about a training seminar, officially sponsored by DuPont I believe, where the attendees were advised to essentially violate DuPont's own written usage instructions for one of the products being used in the training. The verbal doesn't always agree with the written but the written should be considered more reliable.

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CNKS

07-26-2007 18:01:57




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 Re: DX 330 in reply to SDE, 07-26-2007 14:53:20  
You don't "clean" it off, you wipe it off before it dries. Otherwise you "may" be able to see the residue under the paint. That is the world's easiest product to use. Although recommended for use immediately before painting, I use it for light oil/grease removal also. But, that is better suited do a similar, more concentrated product, DX 440. Do not breath either one for extended or repeated use without a charcoal mask. It causes brain and nervous system damage, and my brain is far enoug gone already.

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PhilC

07-26-2007 16:21:23




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 Re: DX 330 in reply to SDE, 07-26-2007 14:53:20  
Let's make sure we're using the same terminology here, a degreaser is similar to, but not the same as a wax and grease remover which is what DX330 is. I use degreaser to remove grease and road grime, but wax and grease remover is used to remove light contaminants such as silicones and skin oils from the surface prior to painting.

Think of it this way, you would use a degreaser to get your tractor cleaned up before working on it and the W&G remover is what you'd use on an essentially clean, ready to paint piece.

At the night class you took, they sould have shown you the correct procedure for using a wax and grease remover. The correct process requires two lint free cloths, one saturated with W&G remover and the other to wipe the W&G remover off the panel. The purpose of W&G remover is to lift surface contaminants from the panel and hold them in suspension until the panel is wiped dry with a clean, lint free cloth.
It's hard to describe, but the panel should be thoroughly wet, but not dripping, and you should wipe it dry as quickly as possible. It's important that you wipe in one direction only or you will simply wipe the contaminants back into the surface. Work in small sections so you don't have the W&G remover drying out on you. If it does, simply re-wet the area and wipe it off.

Here's the tech info for DX330 from the PPG website:

[quote:c83e530f34]Wash surface with soap and water before cleaning.

· Clean surface before and after sanding.

· Apply a generous amount of DX330, DX394 or DX440 with a clean white cloth or a hand held spray bottle.

· Initial application floats contaminants to the surface where the second wipe with a clean, dry cloth will remove the contaminants.

· For maximum results, wipe dry with clean white cloth in one direction only, while the surface is still wet, to eliminate smearing of contaminants. (emphasis added)[/quote:c83e530f34]

If you want, you can go to this link, click on product info, then select paint lines, and then pick Deltron. In the "search by product" box type in DX330 and submit. When the link comes up for the .pdf page simply print it out for future reference.

FWIW, I work full time in the auto collision industry and am an ASE certified Master Tech as well as I-CAR certified.third party image

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CNKS

07-26-2007 18:15:53




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 Re: DX 330 in reply to PhilC, 07-26-2007 16:21:23  
I know about the one-direction thing, I don't necessarily believe that is absolutely necessary. I apply it several times until the cloths come back clean. By that time I probably am wiping in one direction though. Cast is very hard to clean, but the 330 eventually gets it. I usually use a product such as 409 on cast first and finish with 330 -- the 330 will remove any 409 residue. I do not use 330 to remove heavy grease, it usually follows chemical strippers and oven cleaners, which are followed by a wire brush on an angle grinder or drill, which REALLY push the crud into the cast. Sheet metal is easy to clean. I don't believe I have ever had a problem with finger prints or worse, after 330.

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