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Valspar Resteration series

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gary case

10-18-2007 09:32:16




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can u Clear Coat after painting with this paint? VALSPAR REST SER. If so how long after do i have? It doesn't suggest anything on the cover. They say it's a automotive enamel. it's pretty shiney now. If i keep it i'll keep it covered. if i sell it, well i won't know anyway's. thanx gary in Mi.




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PhilC

10-21-2007 12:32:33




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 Re: Valspar Resteration series in reply to gary case, 10-18-2007 09:32:16  
B-maniac is spot on with his reply, and the first thing that came to mind is many people (not implying that's the case with you CNKS) don't understand what the difference is between single stage & two stage. For those who don't know, it's simply a one-step vs two-step process and is not to be confused with whether the product is catalyzed.

There is absolutely a benefit in clear coating single stage urethane, but as pointed out, what benefit is there in clear coating a low quality paint to get a high quality result? As with everything, the foundation is key to durabilty.

Do you have to buff base/clear? Nope, just like you don't have to buff any single stage urethane, but, if you have too much texture and/or contaminants in the clear, and you want to remove them and get the flattest, glossiest result then yes.

Frankly, I'm quite surprised with the level of quality many of the posters indicate they desire with regard to their tractors. They buy bargain basement quality paint, low quality import paint guns, try to spray with inadequate air volume, don't have adequate compressed air filtration, and yet, expect a high quality paint job.
I can produce a show quality paint job, but I sure won't do one on my tractor. To me, it doesn't make sense to do a $5k - $7k paint job on a $3500 - $5000 tractor. Instead, I'll do perfect bodywork, shoot it with single stage urethane, and it'll still look way better than it did when it rolled off the assembly line.

I don't believe you would run into much of a problem using single stage on the cast elements of your tractor and bc/cc on the sheetmetal unless the jobber can't mix color. You may, however, detect a minute difference in the amount of gloss between the two products, especially if you cut and buff the sheetmetal parts. However, if the jobber mixes the color right, you shouldn't see any appreciable color shift between the two products.

Just my $.02.third party image

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CNKS

10-21-2007 12:53:43




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 Re: Valspar Resteration series in reply to PhilC, 10-21-2007 12:32:33  
If I use bc-cc it will be PPG Omni. Only reason to use it will be because it can be sanded and buffed better than single stage, to try to eliminate the "lint" in my painting environment. My understanding is that the cheaper AU's (compared to Concept or Imron), are not necessarily true to color between the different formulations. Guess I won't know until I try it. There is a difference in gloss between cast and sheet metal anyway, so unless there is a drastic difference between color, I doubt if it will be that noticeable.

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I like it..John,PA

10-19-2007 15:19:06




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 Re: Valspar Resteration series in reply to gary case, 10-18-2007 09:32:16  
Gary,

I like the product. Sold here at Tractor Supply Co. stores.

The hardener, though, costs more than a quart of paint color.

I don't use the hardner. I have found that it causes the paint to dry too fast. The slower the drying time, probably overnite, the smoother the final finish. No orange peel.

Moisture, however, can cause problems. Therefore, that said, try to paint when the fog finally lifts. Here, in PA, that is usually around noon till about 4PM. Especially this time of the year. I generally paint outdoors.

I have been using my FLUKE VOM (ohm meter) to check dryness of any surface before painting.

My meter will show: .8 ohms....too wet .2 ohms....perfect for oil based (petroleum based) enamels and paint'N the trim boards around the house.

Hope this helps ya. John,PA

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CNKS

10-18-2007 14:00:14




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 Re: Valspar Resteration series in reply to gary case, 10-18-2007 09:32:16  
There is no advantage to clear coating single stage paints.



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B-maniac

10-19-2007 18:54:15




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 Re: Valspar Resteration series in reply to CNKS, 10-18-2007 14:00:14  
With all due respect , CNKS , you can add greatly to the UV protection by clear-coating. As far as appearance goes , you are correct , though.



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CNKS

10-19-2007 19:52:10




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 Re: Valspar Resteration series in reply to B-maniac, 10-19-2007 18:54:15  
True -- but why put clear coat over cheap paint when you can get the next step up, acrylic enamel, which has at least some UV protection for perhaps less or only slightly more money than the combination, with it's potential for problems such as incompatibility, etc? Valspar does make AE, likely cheaper than the PPG/DuPont versions. I'm not familiar with Valspar restoration series, perhaps it is AE.

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B-maniac

10-21-2007 07:10:37




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 Re: Valspar Resteration series in reply to CNKS, 10-19-2007 19:52:10  
You are very correct. Worthless to put hi-tech clear over a "junk" foundation to try to prop it up. Hope that's not what you thought I was promoting. BUT , if you want to apply a couple of coats of catylized urethane clear over your catylized urethane single-stage of the same make , you will increase the UV protection . NOT the shine. Another bennefit of using clear over your single stage is that if you get a lot of imperfections and want to color sand and buff , you will just be sanding and buffing the clear which has no pigment to it. If you use single stage , the shine and UV protection all comes from the very thin layer of clear in the formula that floats to the top while it lays there wet. Now if you color sand this to correct imperfections then what happens to this minute layer?? This is exactly why some say you will never get color sanded and buffed single stage to ever look "wet" again like it does when fresh paint. This is just one more reason I use BC/CC exclusivly. To me , if you even think you are going to sand and buff , then use BC/CC. If have the conditions to get close to perfect single stage without buffing then use single stage WITHOUT clear. I used to do a lot of high end auto restorations and they don't even want texture, let alone impurities, in their finish. They REQUIRE sand and buff as standard procedure. All priorities are different and so are the "tools" to get you there. You don't need "Snap-On" to work on your own car or tractor on the weekends. That's why I used to go kind of "anle" when someone on here would use the word "BEST" in there question. I'm sure they had no idea how far and expensive that one word would lead on a forum like this. Most have no idea just what's out there. Thank you , B.

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CNKS

10-21-2007 08:12:46




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 Re: Valspar Resteration series in reply to B-maniac, 10-21-2007 07:10:37  
You are correct -- My efforts to sand and buff single stage AU to get rid of a contamination problem have not been particularly successful. Looks ok until I compare it to a fresh coat of unbuffed AU. Next tractor is either going to be base-clear, or I might try to clear the single stage AU and buff it. Or, I may do nothing as I have moved to a new building -- but I probably brought my contamination problem with me. Problem with tractor base-clear is the cast. BC-CC is overkill on cast. Also, if I use single stage on the cast and base-clear on the sheet metal, I probably have to match the two to keep from having a 2-toned tractor -- what has been your experience with that? I guess a slight difference won't matter. Also does bc-cc HAVE to be buffed? I can't imagine buffing cast.

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B-maniac

10-25-2007 17:55:45




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 Re: Valspar Resteration series in reply to CNKS, 10-21-2007 08:12:46  
No , base clear doesn't have to be buffed. It is essentially the same product as au but without the pigment and has added uv screeners. What I do is just put one coat of clear on the cast and maybe not as wet as the sheet metal parts. It still looks like cast. Good thing about using base/clear on even the cast is that a lot of the gizmo,s and gadgets that are hard to paint with 360 degree coverage with single stage without getting runs or drips are a breeze to get covered with base because it dries allmost instantly. Then when you clear to get shine you don't have to worry about coverage because it's allready covered. All you have to do is get enough clear on to shine it up. Less runs and better color coverage. I use BC/CC as much for it's simplicity and forgiveness as I do for it's hi-tech. I liken the comparison to that of the so-called one step "cleaner/waxes" on the market. A cleaner wax does neither correctly.It's not the best cleaner and it's not the best wax. First you use a good cleaner and polish to get the perfect shine and THEN you apply the best pure wax to protect the shine. Base coat is a supperior high solids pure pigment coating which is the best for applying color. In turn , pure high solids clear,without the baggage of being ballanced with pigment , will give the best "protection" and shine potential. Single stage is the "cleaner/wax" of the paint chemistery. Good enough for tractors? Probably. When you factor in the simplicity and fool-proofness of base clear with the fact that a pint of base will cover more than a quart of single stage will and that clear is cheaper than pigmented paint then to me it's just a better deal all around. I believe it is the "unknowns" about BC/CC that intimidate people into useing what they believe is a simpler and cheaper system when in actuallity it is not either. I could teach a novice to get excellent results useing BC/CC in half the time it would take them to conquer single stage because you only have to master one thing at a time. First the color/coverage and then the shine instead of getting them both "right" at the same time. It really get's interesting when you throw in some metallic or pearl! Definately no place for single-stage there.Can be done and have done it , but why? Good luck to all of you on here willing to tackle your own paint job whatever you use. The " I did it myself" factor is well worth the grief you may go through to get there. Keep them tractors rollin'.

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