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Is this a good primer?? and is this a good top coat paint??

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Jeff Goard

12-29-2007 12:55:27




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I was thinking about using Dupli-Color Paint Shop primer...it is a high-quality lacquer primer. Then for my color top coat I was going to get my paint from Walts Tractor Supply...the top coat is an enamel. Any one know or have any ideas about this set-up!!




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GlenIdaho

12-30-2007 13:09:20




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 Re: Is this a good primer?? and is this a good top coat pain in reply to Jeff Goard, 12-29-2007 12:55:27  
Hi Jeff;

There are several factors you'll need to consider before selecting the paint you want to use. They are; what do you want to accomplish with the paint; ie durability, high shine,or just a good paint job on a working tractor, or a show tractor; what is your budget for paint; are the colors you want available; automotive paint or tractor supply paint? What equipment will you need, particulate mask or supplied air system? For alot of us, the cost is the overriding factor in making the decision.

I don't think you will regret it if you go with an epoxy primer and a compatible top coat. Be sure that the top coat you buy is compatible with the primer. A good rule of thumb is to buy primer and top coat made by the same manufacturer.

Before painting my tractor I, like you, did some research. The archives, local auto paint store and internet. I finally chose epoxy primer and Acrylic Urethane for the top coat. Many of the guys who post here are in the auto paint field or have been and have great information and are more than willing to give you direction.

As a word of caution, if you use any paint that has isocyanates in it you MUST use the proper equipment such as a fresh air breathing system. Isocyanates are very bad for the body. Again, do a search of the archives on the subject as there is a wealth of information. Whatever paint you buy be sure to read the spec sheets and related safety information.

Hope this adds to the help you have been given. Have a great New Year!

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Dick L

12-30-2007 12:08:35




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 Wrong Site in reply to Jeff Goard, 12-29-2007 12:55:27  
Try this one. this is what I was trying to show.



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CNKS

12-30-2007 17:17:47




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 Re: Wrong Site in reply to Dick L, 12-30-2007 12:08:35  
I won't disagree IF the clear is durable and has UV resistance. Reason I say this is as far as durability lacquer is the absolute worst paint you can use, particularly on a tractor. Will it shine?, yes, far as I know it is still used on show cars. Is it durable and fade resistant?, no. I will stand corrected if they have changed the product. I haven't touched the stuff since the early 80's, but I went 20 years after that without painting, also.

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Dick L

12-30-2007 11:46:11




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 You Might Want To Visit in reply to Jeff Goard, 12-29-2007 12:55:27  
You might want to visit the Duplicolor link.
They are being used on hot rod projects on the Speed Channel. Several different shows.
I think you will find it to be a top notch paint.
They just came out with a metalic clear coat that I plan on trying very soon. They are shooting for the do it yourselfers with the ready to spray. They only seem to have a few standard colors at this point.
I have seen three paint jobs with Duplicolor and was impressed. Two white/black and one blue.

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Dick L

12-30-2007 12:02:39




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 Re: You Might Want To Visit in reply to Dick L, 12-30-2007 11:46:11  
I see that you can get colors to match. Last week I wanted to order paint at Auto Zone and the desk guy told me that the only colors available was what was on the shelf. Looking at the Duplicolor site I would not guess th edesk gent didn't want to be bothered.



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circus

12-30-2007 02:26:06




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 no in reply to Jeff Goard, 12-29-2007 12:55:27  
no. The dried paint would come off with your finger nail.



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circus

12-30-2007 18:56:45




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 Re: no in reply to circus, 12-30-2007 02:26:06  
Laquer primer was popular 30 years ago because it was cheap, fast and many top coats were also lacquer. If you use it the world will go on but you'll have poor adhesion. Epoxy primer can be found where automotive paints are sold. It's not sandable to fill imperfections. For that use a urethane or polyester primer surfacer.



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Jeff Goard

12-30-2007 06:58:27




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 Re: no in reply to circus, 12-30-2007 02:26:06  
Circus,

Have you ever used the primer? I have some people that say it will be ok, then u say its not. The Dupli color primer is not in a rattle can, you spray it on. Where can you buy the epoxy primer, if I go that direction

And what are the steps of the epoxy primer....i will not be able to top coat for a few weeks after



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CNKS

12-30-2007 10:29:59




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 Re: no in reply to Jeff Goard, 12-30-2007 06:58:27  
Most epoxy primers have a window of 3-7 days at 70 degrees during which they can be topcoated. You have to read the spec sheet for the one you buy. If you can't topcoat it within that time frame you can scuff it with a scotchbrite pad and reapply when you are ready to paint. No big deal. I don't have a rust problem, so I just wait until I am ready to begin topcoating. I buy paint from an auto parts store that sells PPG. Others sell DuPont, NAPA sells Martin Senour. I doubt if you find quality paint at a farm store. I know nothing about Dupli-Color -- of course the people that sell it will say it is fine. There are "off brand" paints that are ok, some aren't. Not knowing anything about the off-brands, and not wanting to find out by using them, I stick with the major brands -- which are for the most part PPG (that I use), DuPont, Sherwin Williams/Martin Senour/NAPA, possibly the better grades of Valspar and a few others.

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CNKS

12-29-2007 17:40:46




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 Re: Is this a good primer?? and is this a good top coat pain in reply to Jeff Goard, 12-29-2007 12:55:27  
I thought Dupli-Color was all rattle can stuff--if that is the case, then the answer is no. If it can be mixed and used in a spray gun, I have no clue as to how good it is. Lacquer primers, while they used to be common (and still are) are outdated, UNLESS they are used over epoxy primer. Spray gun type epoxy is the way to go. It will adhere to the metal and the overlying primer or topcoat far better than any lacquer primer used on the bare metal will. If the enamel is alkyd enamel -- since you mentioned a farm store, that is what they sell -- it is ok, but there are far better automotive paints available. Only advantage of what you are planning on using is that it is cheap. It will fade unless your tractor is kept inside.

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GlenIdaho

12-29-2007 15:16:00




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 Re: Is this a good primer?? and is this a good top coat pain in reply to Jeff Goard, 12-29-2007 12:55:27  
Hi Jeff;

Have you considered and epoxy primer? It is highly and frequently recommended by the contributors on this site. It is tough, has great adhesion characteristics and acts as a sealer to help prevent rust, especially if you are not able to top coat right away. The downside is that you only have a small window afterwards to apply the top coat or you must scuff and reprimer. The medium priced paint seems to be Omni which is made by PPG. There are a number of articles on epoxy primer in the archives. Just some food for thought.

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glennster

12-29-2007 14:30:51




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 Re: Is this a good primer?? and is this a good top coat pain in reply to Jeff Goard, 12-29-2007 12:55:27  
you can shoot enamel paint over lacquer primer, no problem. in fact it was done many many years in the body shop before the better expoy primers came out. i am not familiar with your specific brand of primer, so i cannot say if it is a good sealer also. generally the lacquer primers were an easy to shoot sandable primer. you would use it for blocking and filling. then after it was wet sanded, just prior to shooting, we would seal with dupont 1984 s primer sealer, sand any nibs, scuff it with a scotchbrite pad, and blow the color coat on. the difficult part is trying to lacquer prime over an enamel, it would lift like crazy. you would have to build with dry lite coats of lacquer primer before doing any finish over the top. course, that was the ld days, the materials are a lot easier now.

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