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latest update on case i-h late model paint

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glennster

01-17-2008 07:18:23




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okie-doak, here is the latest poop in the new case i-h red colors for the late models. f9864g in chroma one, it also shows this color used in chroma base and chroma premier, suprising, the chroma base and premier are both base coat clear coat colors, chroma one is a single stage. soooo...case ih had put clear on something!!! the next formula is g8156a in centari, which is case power red, but this has a very orange color to it. the last one is 7410a in centari, which is 2150. here are the formulas attached in case anybody needs them
here is f9864g, the new case ih red
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this is the case i-h power red, very orange tint
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and this is the 2150
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Paul505

02-22-2008 14:47:07




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 Re: latest update on case i-h late model paint in reply to glennster, 01-17-2008 07:18:23  
I'm starting to restore a 1956 International 300 utility and stumbled upon this thread while researching "IH Red". Your discussion of colors seem to skip the 50's. Is information available on the proper color for these years? The only thing I have really found so far is engine spray paint in IH Red.
http://scoutparts.com/products/?view=product&product_id=10203



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CNKS

01-17-2008 14:24:22




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 Re: latest update on case i-h late model paint in reply to glennster, 01-17-2008 07:18:23  
7410 is IH 50, used from 1936 until 1949, IH 2150 appeared in 1961, DuPont 96766, so I have read, I have not used the DuPont version, only PPG which is 71310. 50 and 2150 are supposed to be close in color, though--I do not know the actual difference.



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glennster

01-17-2008 18:23:09




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 Re: latest update on case i-h late model paint in reply to CNKS, 01-17-2008 14:24:22  
i gotta try mixing up some and compare it with 2150 to see what the difference is. the only thing i ever read about ih 50 was it wasnt as reflective as the new 2150. the chroma one in f9864g is the current color for case i-h equipment according to our paint supplier. there was a post a little while back where someone was looking for the formula for the new equipment. the g8156a in centari is a very orange tint. i wonder what case i-h is painting that color? i cant say that i have seen anything painted in that. maybe its some super secret tractor.

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CNKS

01-17-2008 19:55:37




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 Re: latest update on case i-h late model paint in reply to glennster, 01-17-2008 18:23:09  
The current Case-IH 2150 and PPG 71310 definitely have too much orange in them, they are very close to the same color--both wrong (as far as I'm concerned) perhaps because of the reformulation when they removed the lead. IH 50/PPG 70093/DuPont 7410, I have not used. 70093 comes up in the dealers computer as a Chrysler color. I have given up trying to get what I consider the "correct" IH red, according to the original IH numbers, and have the dealer change the toners until I am more or less satisfied--mostly less. I'm not at all familiar with the colors newer than 2150.

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TGS

01-19-2008 02:40:42




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 Re: latest update on case i-h late model paint in reply to CNKS, 01-17-2008 19:55:37  
Case Color Codes & Part Numbers:

2150 IH Red, 1969-1981, CASE P/N B90882LF


MS 3 CASE IH RED, 1961-CURRENT, CASE P/N B17562


Power Red MS 2, 1974-1985, CASE P/N B17672


Power Red ( Case Code# MS 2) was used on Case 1974-1985 production models such as a 1070 series tractor. The color scheme for those units consisted of a white cab/white hood /side panels (Power White), orange wheel hubs/chassis/engine (Power Red), and outer rims silver.

IH 2150 Red was used on IH 1969-1981 production models. The 2150 was comprised of three pigments, BON Red, Molybdenum Orange, and a small amount of Titanium Dioxide. The orange pigment was the source of lead chromate in the red colors. Manufactures initiated conversion to lead and chrome free red finishes in the latter 1970’s. Color matching specified direct sunlight as opposed to incandescent light sources. This explains how lead free and leaded formulas can appear mismatched when viewed under florescent or incandescent lighting. There are cases where cost was a deciding factor to completely change a corporate color, Caterpillar did exactly that with cost in mind.

The currently used red, Case IH MS 3 Gloss Red has been in production use since 1961. Magnums and Maxxums bear this shade of red.

At present, CNH applies a urethane topcoat over an epoxy primer, clear coats are not used in production. The process after cleaning and iron phosphating consists of:

1. epoxy ester prime
2. 15 minute flash off
3. urethane topcoat 2.8 VOC 2.8 at the gun with a 60 min pot life
4. 15 minute flash off
5. two zone gas fired oven; zone one @ 140 F for fifteen min: zone two @ 220 F for fifteen minutes

Primer and Topcoat furnished by PPG Industries

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CNKS

01-19-2008 08:54:49




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 Re: latest update on case i-h late model paint in reply to TGS, 01-19-2008 02:40:42  
The PPG equivalent (71310) of 2150 does look more orange under fluorescent lights, looks almost normal outside, but still has some orange tint. Since I was away from IH tractors from 1960-1992, I do not know what the original 2150 looked like. Also don't know if the 71310 formula changed with the removal of lead, or for some other reason. I should have said I have no interest in the later colors, as those tractors are too expensive and too complex for my so called "restoration" hobby, they also are generally to large to fit into my shop. I have a 460 which is about as far as I want to go.

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