Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Antique Tractor Paint and Bodywork

Fresh Air Supply

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
SproutW

02-21-2008 11:08:56




Report to Moderator

I"ve decided that I"m going to paint a few of my tractors. I will be using hardner and know of the safety concerns with fresh air. I don"t want to spend a bunch of money and was looking for an affordable fresh air supply system. Anyone able to help me out?




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Rod (NH)

02-21-2008 15:50:34




Report to Moderator
 Re: Fresh Air Supply in reply to SproutW, 02-21-2008 11:08:56  
Turbine Products also available on ebay.

HobbyAir also available at autobodystore.com.

I haven't seen anything less expensive for a commercial product than these two manufacturers. I think they represent the floor in cost for supplied-air systems catering to the DIY. You might also check out some on-line automotive painting forums and/or ebay for the possibility of a used one showing up. I would expect there are some DIYs out there that will purchase something like that to paint their car, would not have a further need for it and would be interested in selling it to recover some of the expense. I don't know that to be true but its worth checking into.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
MarkKs

02-22-2008 03:13:06




Report to Moderator
 Re: Fresh Air Supply in reply to Rod (NH), 02-21-2008 15:50:34  
Rod; What can you tell me about the belt
Belt mounted PAPR Powered Air Purifying Respirator??? Is this something to avoid if painting??? Thanks...



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rod (NH)

02-22-2008 08:15:29




Report to Moderator
 Re: Fresh Air Supply in reply to MarkKs, 02-22-2008 03:13:06  
Mark,

I've never used a PAPR but I'll give you my opinion on them. A PAPR would be better than a normal, cartridge style, negative pressure respirator since it forces air to the mask under pressure. It does not rely on the negative pressure caused by breathing in to force air through a chemical cartridge/filter. The mask therefore operates under a slight positive pressure, caused by the unit on your belt. Because of that, the face fit would not be as critical and it could be possible for people with facial hair to use one successfully - although I'm not sure if any manufacturer actually recommends that. You also would not have the bother of dragging around a second hose for your breathing air as you would with a fresh air unit. However, those are the only advantages that I see (for painting). The PAPRs still rely on a filter/chemical cartridge to get rid of the bad stuff - e.g. isocyanates. They also require a battery pack to power the blower unit.

The biggest thing I have against them is the requirement for processing the bad air using a chemical cartridge/filter. As far as I know, no manufacturer makes a chemical cartridge with an end-of-service-life indicator (ESLI) for isocyanates. So the user has no specific way of telling when the cartridge needs to be replaced. Isocyanates have no odor so any sense of smell is not reliable. Furthermore, no manufacturer that I am aware of makes a cartridge that they recommend for isocyanates without pre-conditions that are unrealistic for a DIY to meet. For instance, 3M does make a cartridge they suggest can be used with isocyanates but ONLY when the air concentration is less than 10 times the permissible exposure limit. They specifically DO NOT recommend it if the air concentration is unknown - which is always the case for DIY painting. The National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) doesn't recommend cartridges for isocyanates at ANY concentration, even less that 10 times the permissible limit. Air concentration for a DIY is not only unknown but can be expected to be highly variable. There is a major difference between a DIY, even when painting outside, and a person in a professional down draft paint spray booth that serves, by design, to minimize iso concentration in a painter's breathing zone.

For the above reasons, my preference for DIY painting is for a fresh air type of continuous flow respirator that can take the source air from a known location. I'd much rather breathe known, good fresh air than rely on some filter to remove the bad stuff from contaminated air. Not to mention the continuing maintenance costs of prefilters, chemical cartridges and batteries/battery packs. Having used a fresh air respirator for many years, I have no interest at all in a PAPR for my painting needs. I have no idea what the life-cycle cost difference between a fresh air respirator and a PAPR might be. Whatever it is, it wouldn't change my opinion. I admit dragging around a breathing air hose is somewhat of a pain. But it's a bother I'm gladly willing to put up with to guarantee fresh air to breathe.

Rod

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
GlenIdaho

02-21-2008 17:49:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: Fresh Air Supply in reply to Rod (NH), 02-21-2008 15:50:34  
I have a Breath-Cool system and it works great. Be sure to consider what hood or mask you want/need. I have a full face mask and wear glasses, at times it can be uncomfortable. I understand the hood works well.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Stephen R. Horton-TX

03-06-2008 13:10:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: Fresh Air Supply in reply to GlenIdaho, 02-21-2008 17:49:58  
Ditto on the Breathe-Cool system off of Ebay. Works really good for me; I have the full hood, and its comfortable. My biggest complaint is that the disposable shields it uses to put over the plastic visor are a bit hard to see through especially with some overspray on it, but I guess that's a problem with any of these things (or its just my eyes).
stephen



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy