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DaveS

03-13-2008 13:59:40




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Does anyone paint tractors for other people? I have a friend that has a couple John Deere tractors. A 1950 "B" and a "G". He's trying to talk me in to painting these for him. Sanding, Knock any dents out of sheet metal and painting.

What I'm wanting to know, is what do other people charge for painting tractors?




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DaveS

03-15-2008 04:56:20




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 Re: Painting two tractors... in reply to DaveS, 03-13-2008 13:59:40  
Those are some good replies. I can lay down a pretty good paint job, but I just do it in my shop. I don't have a paint booth. I setup an exhaust fan to pull the fumes out and spray water on the floor to keep the dust down.

I painted a 40 B that my grandfather bought new and I take it to the local fairs to show. I'm starting on a paint job for an "H" that Dad has and i'm planning on doing a 2 stage on that one.

This guy that wants these tractors painted has shown his "G" in the past but hasn't for several years. He is retired from General Motors so I don't think he'll buck too much at a fair price as long as it's fair to both of us. I just don't want either of us to be screwed if you know what I mean. My initial thought was to do both of them for $2500 to $3000 but after talking to you guys maybe that's a little too cheap.

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B-maniac

03-14-2008 18:38:40




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 Re: Painting two tractors... in reply to DaveS, 03-13-2008 13:59:40  
Ditto on what ORS said below. You will probably find that once you start asking this "friend" very detailed questions about his requirements and priorities he will more than likely say to forget it. A lot of people will "generalize" or "minimize" by asking "how much to throw a paint job on that ole "A" over there" or "what ya charge to paint that ole hulk over there" etc,etc. I usually tell them a price to spray the cheapest paint with no prep work other than steam clean and mask. Then when they get done cheering about the low price , I will tell them that they might want to consider cleaning off all the rust , filling the pits , straightening out the dents and opting for a higher grade paint that will stay lookin' good for more than a year or two. Then they conclude that their little "minimizing" plan didn't work and ask how much more to do it correctly. After hearing the real price for what they really wanted in the first place they say something like "well I'll get back to you in a few days". Never hear from them again. Good riddens! If they can't be honest with you about what they REALLY want from the start , then you don't want to do their job anyway. Hope this ain't the case with you and your friend but a lot of people just don't think it's worth much to "paint" their tractor but it had better look better than new when done. My rule of thumb is I price every job to do it correctly and they can take it or leave it. I don't compromise because it will bite you in the end. Believe it or not I have been the "high" bidder on a lot of car,truck and tractor and got the jobs and thanked for it afterwords. Most of the people really do want it to look like new , they just hate to say it because they figure you will jack the price sky high.No , it ain't gonna be cheap! But , if they lie to me I won't do it at all. Ask the right questions and it don't take long to uncover which guy you are dealing with. If you only do half a job , neither one of you are gonna be happy with the outcome. As far as what to charge? Only YOU know your skills and what they are worth. A normal condition '50 "B" with "normal" dents and rust done correctly should run between a min. of $2000 (favor for buddy price)but more like $3000 >. More than the tractor's worth?? Maybe. Since when does a tractor's or car's "worth" dictate what YOU should get paid for your skills and labor and materials??? Exactly!

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ORS

03-14-2008 05:00:24




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 Re: Painting two tractors... in reply to DaveS, 03-13-2008 13:59:40  
hey Dave, Good luck getting a straight answer on this one. There are so many variables to take into consideration. 1) a friend may only be a friend until they receive the bill. If you do the job for little or nothing, you then open the door for them to reap the reward ($ale of the tractor). 2) The local body shops up here charge $50.00 an hour. A good friend of mine runs a body shop and charged a dealer 250.00 to re-paint a very small new Kubota hood (it had a 3 inch scratch in it). 3) It also depends on the quality of your bodywork and paint. Can your end results be flaw free with a mirror finish. I have seen so-called new paint jobs where the finish goes from a dry sand paper look to a run to a glossy area. That won't cut it when you go to get paid. 4) Cover your a**. What type of paint products are you putting on the tractor. Local implement paint will not leave any room for error. If you should get a run or other mistake with this paint it means a re-shoot. A 2 stage or B/C allows you to color sand and buff. It will cost a little more but the insurance is worth it. You have to charge enough to a least cover the materials twice. If the customer is not satisfied and you have to re-do it you don't want to take it out of your pocket. Dave I have done restorations on all models fords,Allis,Deere,Moline, etc. I have found it very hard to squeeze money out of a farmer, but when they see the results, they cannot believe the finished product. I have now took on newer and much bigger tractors 150-300 hp. I do the painting for dealers and jockeys. I only do the sheet metal, fiberglass and plastic body panels. It seems to be a bit more profitable. If you do the job you will find yourself shaving of hours or forgeting how many you put in. If you take for example a 4020 hood it will take you a minimum of 10 hours to prep,sand and paint it if done correctly. I remove all the sheet metal,lights, wiring, steering wheel,etc. It all takes time. I would say that 60 hours would be an under-estimate to do it right. figure about $200.00-250.00 for quality materials and go from there. What is your labor worth, are you a run-sag-to gloss painter or are you a mirror finish painter. What does your friend make per/hour at his or her job. THE ONLY FRIENDS I HAVE ARE FROM BEFORE 8AM AND AFTER 6PM.

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