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What does hardner do for a paint job???

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Larry59

04-02-2008 20:19:20




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1. I have not painted in years. But going to do my Case tractor main body and fram. Besides what does hardner do with paint? .. How much do I use for a gallon of paint.

2. Years ago I was taught the first spray was done with a 60 % paint and 40% thinner. So the metal would get a coat of light but be tacky and dry quicker for the second coat to be sprayed.
Any thoughts on this? Can't remember the second coat of mixer .. getting old.. any help. *S

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Larry59

04-03-2008 21:33:06




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 Here is what I got to work with for now. in reply to Larry59, 04-02-2008 20:19:20  
Today I bought this - Industrial enamel , tractor equiptment. Van Sickle company in Lincoln Neb. plus a can of hardner for the paint. I understand this is a pretty good paint. But cost for this was $100.00 under Napa for both. That's a lot of money to save. Hope to paint maybe next week I hope. Lots of rain and moister in air right now here in Mid Missouri.



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Larry59

04-03-2008 21:35:42




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 ALSO - will paint be ok for heat of engine? ?? in reply to Larry59, 04-03-2008 21:33:06  
I know at store you can get paint for engines. But using the same paint that my main frame and tramission will have to engine be ok. Won't fire are something like that?



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B-maniac

04-03-2008 18:40:18




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 Re: What does hardner do for a paint job??? in reply to Larry59, 04-02-2008 20:19:20  
Hardner (catylist) chemically "cures" the paint instead of relying on solvent evaporization and/or age to cure it. Because of this it will hold it's shine and durability longer and be more "repair friendly" if you need to do so for any reason. Clear over a solid color will not give any more initial shine because there is clear in a solid color that will rise to the top and give it it's own thin clear coat. That's what gives a single stage solid color it's shine. The only benefit clear over a solid single stage would give you is a lot more UV protection which will make it HOLD it's shine a lot longer. So in two years,yes it will shine more with clear. Clear will also give you the option at a later date to sand smooth and buff to get a perfect finish without sanding through into the pigment (mess). You should never sand and buff a single stage paint because you will be sanding off the very thin layer of clear on the surface and even though you may be able to buff it back to a nice shine , you have lost the UV protection and are buffing pigment at this point and if the tractor is to be outside much the shine will eventually die down. Not as much as non-hardened paint but it won't hold it's "wet" look. Clear costs less than color and gives you more options and durability. No secret what I use. One note though, some people wish to have an antique tractor that looks "original" to it's age. In this case I would use non-catylized synthetic enamel (like from JD store) and leave it out in the weather for the first year. You will have the equivalent of a barn preserved original. Each to his own. There's a place for ALL of them.

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CNKS

04-03-2008 17:09:30




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 Re: What does hardner do for a paint job??? in reply to Larry59, 04-02-2008 20:19:20  
Single stage does not need clear. If you want to use clear, use the base coat clear coat system which is designed for clear and will not work without it. Buy quality paint from PPG, DuPont, Sherwin Williams/Martin Senour, etc, get the P (instruction) sheets off the internet if the dealer can't supply them, and they will tell you EXACTLY how much reducer and hardener to use. Don't use hardener without supplied air.

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Circus

04-03-2008 14:06:55




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 Re: What does hardner do for a paint job??? in reply to Larry59, 04-02-2008 20:19:20  
Hardener speeds things up. Clear is used with flat metallic colors. On straight colors clear wouldn't show. Clear is applied in two or three coats, just like any paint.



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patsdeere

04-02-2008 21:48:58




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 Re: What does hardner do for a paint job??? in reply to Larry59, 04-02-2008 20:19:20  
Hardener will add some hardness to the paint, it will dry faster and have higher gloss. The only problem with it is that it contains nasty stuff and the only safe way to use it is with a fresh air supply. It will also harden the paint in the gun if you take too long to paint.

In regards to the mix ratio, each paint mfr. is a little different. Some paint is almost sprayable out of the can and needs only minor thinning to spray while others take a lot more to get it sprayable. I usually eyeball it and if it won't spray then I add a little more thinner. It takes a little trial and error.

Granted I probably don't do it the way a professional shop does it, but my paint turned out pretty well and has good gloss.

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Larry59

04-02-2008 20:25:33




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 What about Clear for over the paint job?? in reply to Larry59, 04-02-2008 20:19:20  
Will clear give me that real nice shine look to the paint? I have a case 311-B tractor. It's called the general size and not the ut small tractor. So how much clear would one use? How many coats of this clear would be proper? THanks



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glennster

04-03-2008 14:40:42




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 Re: What about Clear for over the paint job?? in reply to Larry59, 04-02-2008 20:25:33  
larry , i assume you are using a single stage paint, if you want to clear it, you will need a clear that is compatible with your base coat. as far as getting a good shine to your paint, it can be done with a single stage and no clear. generally the last color coat needs to go on wet so it lays nice, then if you want more shine, you need to wetsand and buff the paint after it drys.



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patsdeere

04-03-2008 07:16:37




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 Re: What about Clear for over the paint job?? in reply to Larry59, 04-02-2008 20:25:33  
I have never used clear on a tractor so I have no clue how much it uses. If you search through the board you will find some other posts about clear.



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