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GeneMO

05-13-2008 14:29:39




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As I begin the "putting back together" stage of this Super H farmall, I want to teach myself to paint.

I would like to start out with cast parts, small components and then when I have the hang of that can progress up to the sheet metal.

Questions: 1. What type of moderately priced paint gun can I buy, that I can use for small projects, and that is easily cleaned up?

2. I am planning on buying Case IH paint from the dealer. Should I buy enough to do the whole tractor so it is all the same lot#? Or do they even sell pints or quarts? Would you notice a difference between lot#'s ?

3. Would one gallon do the entire project?

4. Do you use a primer?

Thanks in advance.


Gene

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GeneMO

05-15-2008 04:40:02




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 Re: Learning to paint in reply to GeneMO, 05-13-2008 14:29:39  
Hey guys, thanks for all the replys. I guess I had better get busy on this project.

I have about 4 more loads of old scrap metal to haul to help finance this project.


Gene



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Lanse

05-14-2008 16:04:38




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 Re: Learning to paint in reply to GeneMO, 05-13-2008 14:29:39  
i got a $10 siphongun from harbor frieght. very nice. I think youll need about 1 gallon of primer and of paint. Wire wheel everything down to bare metal then clean it with thinner and a rag. Then use thinned primer. Shoot on 5-6 light coats of primer, sand it, then do another. Let it dry 12 hours or so, then do the same for the red, with hardener in there if you want. I did this on 2 cultivators and a wagon and they all turned out great. Food luck. Dont go on too heavy whatever you do, and practice making a matching little wagon or garden tractor or sometihng

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soundguy

05-14-2008 05:58:41




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 Re: Learning to paint in reply to GeneMO, 05-13-2008 14:29:39  
Ca't argue with any of the advice you have recieved thus far.

I'll relate my amature painting experiences as well.

1, I got a scrap pice of metal that I practiced on, and I also use to set my gun on every job. ( an old car hood from a junkyard is GREAT ).. I leave it leaned up against a free standing fence post.. i use it as my test shot area to check pattern, fluid and air settings on my guns.

I use all knock off guns.. binks.devblis ( spelling? ).. etc.

I have currently got a pressure pot gun, an hvlp, a full quart syphon gun, and a touch up syphon gun. I hear hvlp is all the rage... so far I like syphon the best.. It's what i started with, and have the most experience with... it is not the best technology.. as has bene pointed out. My guns are campbel hausfeld and harbor freight guns.. not one over 50$.. some as cheap as 10$. ( touch up gun ).

I use a 5hp, 29g compressor with built in regulator.. but started with a small 2hp/4g pancake compressor with an extra 15g tank plumbed in, and an external regulator. Made me learn patience! You will find reducing the paint is the big difference betweent he guns, as well as amount of material put down, and air used to do it. Syphon guns are generally air hogs, have the most overspray, and get less paint to project. taht said.. i find them pretty easy to use.. and pretty forgiving. No matter what you get.. clean them like you are going to operate with them.. when i'm done cleaning my guns i shoot straight reducer thru them to a white rag til there is no color, and that includes cleaning the tip and can as well.

DO use a primer compatible with your paint.

Most of the look of your finish will come from the prep work.. not the paint or the gun.

a 250$ gun, with 100$ a gallon paint shot on to 45$ worth of body work is gonna look like a 50$ paint job. VS 26$ a gallon paint shot thru a 25$ gun, onto 500$ of body work is gonna look like a 551$ paint job. Even if I buy paint at the same time.. i like to intermix my cans to make sure the lots are near the same when i go to use them... Thus I try to buy enough to do the entire tractor at one shot. If i get down to half a quart and 'know' I'll nee dmore.. I save that half quart till I get the next quart so i can mix it and again.. try to keep the color lot similar.

As for how much.. can't say without knowing what you are painting.

I just burned 5qts of primer on my ford 951 and fel. used a gallon of red or so, and half a gallon of white.

soundguy

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dieseldave56

05-14-2008 01:44:00




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 Re: Learning to paint in reply to GeneMO, 05-13-2008 14:29:39  
I use a Binks 2001 1 qt suction spray gun for general work or use the Binks head with a remote pot for large jobs . Less weight to deal with. For serious work I use the Binks M1G HVLP gravity feed gun. I like Binks for 40 years, easy to get parts, been around forever. I would use a PPG or Ditzler primer /sealer for bare metal and sanded ,partially painted surfaces. The primer /surfacer if build up is neccessary.

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glennster

05-13-2008 17:59:12




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 Re: Learning to paint in reply to GeneMO, 05-13-2008 14:29:39  
gene, just bring that tractor up here and we'll shoot it for ya!!! here is a nice starter set of spray guns our paint jobber has. i picked up a set for the shop here just to have some extra guns for shooting frames and odds and ends so we dont use the satas. for a hundred, you get a primer gun, color gun and a cute little touch up gun, real nice for small parts. i suggest youstop over at farm and fleet, pick up some of their tractor paint and thinner, practice on some stuff around the farm, mail boxes, shed doors, what ever just to get used to the gun. then you can shoot the tractor, the case ih would be a good choice for your first paint job. did you get that compressor up and running yet??

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Mike S 806/H

05-13-2008 17:47:03




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 Re: Learning to paint in reply to GeneMO, 05-13-2008 14:29:39  
You will get many different answers to what type of gun to get. I learned from a craftsman suction gun about $40.00, works great, I have 6 guns that cost from $10.00 to $350.00. I just bought the $10.00 gun from harbor freight was $30.00 on sale for $10.00 conventional gravity feed, I highly recommend that gun, I have been using this gun over my $350.00 devilbiss gun, very impressed with it. Im not a fan of HVLP guns I would also say a gallon and a half of 2150 and use acrylic enamel reducer from a auto store 8:1, as for primer get John Deere primer for the cast parts and chassie and use the same reducer, with JD primer you have to wait 36 hours before top coating, For the sheet metal epoxy and then a good surfacer for a show finish. if your not looking for a show finish JD primer will be fine.

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CNKS

05-13-2008 19:20:06




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 Re: Learning to paint in reply to Mike S 806/H, 05-13-2008 17:47:03  
None of my business, but why use a primer you have to wait 36 hrs on, when you can shoot over epoxy in 30 minutes? Of course it costs 2-3X as much as JD primer.



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Mike S 806/H

05-14-2008 22:46:20




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 Re: Learning to paint in reply to CNKS, 05-13-2008 19:20:06  
The JD primer works great and is cheap, when doing a complete tractor chassie I dont mind waiting 36 hours to top coat. I do like epoxy, I use omni but I dont see any reason to use it on a chassie when top coating with 2150,



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CNKS

05-13-2008 17:04:36




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 Re: Learning to paint in reply to GeneMO, 05-13-2008 14:29:39  
1. Many people prefer the generic "knock off gun", but I would recommend paying about $150 as a compromise. I have a $350 Sata, it has more capability than I do (which isn't much).

2. 2150 comes in gallons and quarts, I don't use it, have heard that it is ok. I wouldn't worry about lot numbers, but mistakes are possible -- same with the better paint that is mixed, but mistakes are rare.

3. If you paint a lot of parts separately, about 1.5 gallons.

4. Definitely use a primer. You can use CaseIH if you want. You can also use epoxy primer, which will cost more than 2150. I also use a sandable surfacer over the epoxy for a smoother finish. Paint will highlight defects that you can't see in the old paint.

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CNKS

05-13-2008 17:07:38




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 Re: Learning to paint in reply to CNKS, 05-13-2008 17:04:36  
The type of gun you want is HVLP. As a non-painter don't even consider suction feed. Many experienced painters still use suction feed, because HVLP takes a different technique, and to them HVLP is slow. There is no need for you to learn the old technique.



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