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Prime or Primer/sealer or both?

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D13

08-29-2002 19:30:48




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Well I washed the Ollie, then hit it with engine cleaner and oven cleaner. This lifted most of the grime, some of the paint, and "burned" the rest of the Industrial yellow. This paint appears to have been sprayed partially over the original green and partially over stripped tractor with no apparent primer. Some areas did not get yellow (like the gas tank and under the hood), and these were stripped by the cleaner.

I rinsed the oven cleaner off, then scrubbed the machine with a red Scotchbrite and some water with dish detergent in it. The yellow paint now is bright, except the "burned" areas on the deep cast areas that the Scotchbrite didn't reach into well (like the rough cast trans housing). The rust is, well, rusty.

I primed a couple of the hidden areas with rattle cans and painted them with rattle cans and they look good. The question is, do I now shoot primer then coat with primer/sealer then paint (NAPA Caterpillar yellow), or just primer and paint, or just primer/sealer then paint, or just paint (which seems wrong)?

I'm going to sell the beast, so the "long life" of the paint is not really the issue. I do want it to stick though.

Tell me your thoughts!

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Jerry B

08-30-2002 07:10:56




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 Re: Prime or Primer/sealer or both? in reply to D13, 08-29-2002 19:30:48  
Sounds like this is a "paint and pawn" deal here.

Having said that I would just prime it, throw down the primer gun and grab the paint gun.

"Quick and dirty" as the saying goes.



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D13

08-30-2002 11:55:02




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 Re: Re: Prime or Primer/sealer or both? in reply to Jerry B, 08-30-2002 07:10:56  
Paint and pawn? Well, maybe. But so far I've replaced the entire ignition system, wiring, radiator hoses, steering box, loader bucket rams and plumbing, front spindles, steering wheel, etc. I've gone from a non-functional tractor to a useful little beast and now I'd like to make it better than the 5 color monster it is. Unfortunately, I don't have the 2 years I've spent rebuilding, sandblasting, and painting my Allis. So my question is more of "what does a non-painter like myself to do a reasonable job on a working machine?" This beast will never be a beauty but I'd like the next person not to swear at me for the paint peeling in a week (like it did on my Allis...). I've spend probably 30 hours getting the grease and grime off, and my question is still, do I need to do anything else to make it work?

And now I'm going to go degrease the oil pan again - not clean enough by my standards.

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Jerry B

08-30-2002 17:07:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Prime or Primer/sealer or both? in reply to D13, 08-30-2002 11:55:02  
Ok..sounds like you are trying to do it right. That is good to hear.

Seriously however, to make the job a little better, spray a good coat of self-etching primer over the entire tractor. Let it set for a few hours and follow up with a good coat of primer-filler. Set down the paint gun and spray the paint.

To make sure the primer doesn't cure or dry too quickly, use a retarding agent. Dupont makes a good one. Slowing the curing of the primer allows you to get wet paint over the still wet primer to insure the best possible adhesion.

Do not apply the paint too thick on the first go around. Remember it is still wet under the primer and too much soft liquid will run. After the first coat let everything set for about 30-60 minutes until ALMOST dry and spray a second slightly heavier coat.

You can judge when to apply the second coat by spraying some primer-filler/paint on a piece of scrap metal laid next to the tractor. Touch this piece to determine when the paint is still sticky but not dripping wet. You should leave finger prints in the paint but get no, or very little, paint on your finger. "Sticky" is the time to spray your second coat.

I am confident you will just fine.

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Jerry B

08-30-2002 07:09:58




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 Re: Prime or Primer/sealer or both? in reply to D13, 08-29-2002 19:30:48  
Sounds like this is a "paint and pawn" deal here.

Having said that I would just prime it, throw down the primer gun and grab the paint gun.

"Quick and dirty" as the saying goes.



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