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Lewis

11-08-2001 16:55:39




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I have used phosphoric acid on the Farmall 100 I am preparing to paint. The container suggests using an oil based paint over the primer coat established by the phosphoric acid. Does anyone have any experience painting after using the acid? Would appreciate any advice. Thanks!




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Franz

11-08-2001 21:55:04




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 Re: PHOSPHORIC ACID in reply to Lewis, 11-08-2001 16:55:39  
Been doing machinery and iron that way for 20+ years, in fact, that's the only way we do it now. With new manchinery, we let it develope a good coating of surphace rust, acid treat it, and use skotchbrite to scuff the iron phosphate smooth, then paint with enamel.
The biggest part of success is having a good coating of rust on the iron before using the acid. The acid turns the iron oxide (rust) to iron phosphate. Iron phosphate is an impervious coating. Most of the new steel used on interstate bridges is phosphate treated now, instead of galvanized, and the expectation is that treatment alone will outlast painting.
I have one equipment trailer I did this way 22 years ago, and the paint is still solid.

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Lewis

11-09-2001 18:11:02




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 Re: Re: PHOSPHORIC ACID in reply to Franz, 11-08-2001 21:55:04  
Is it necessary to rough the surface with scothbrite as you mentioned, and if so, (silly question) what is it, and where do you get it?
Do you prime again with regular primer or let the iron phosphate alone serve as the primer coat?
Thanks!



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Franz

11-09-2001 22:01:52




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 Re: Re: Re: PHOSPHORIC ACID in reply to Lewis, 11-09-2001 18:11:02  
Skotchbrite is a plastic version of steel wool, made by 3M. It's available from body supply houses, and is also used for scouring pots & Pans.
It comes in many varietys and grades of abrasiveness. While I'm on the subject of Skotchbrite, it's also great for scuffing dead paint from old machinery, as long as you use water along with it to keep flushing the area being worked, to prevent loading.
The phosphating process, usually leaves you with an uneven surphace, akin to the skin of an orange, with small nodules where there were rust pits, sort of like trunk paint on the inside of a car trunk. If you want the finish to look smooth, use skotchbrite, or sand lightly. The skotchbrite, in this case, is not being used to roughen the surphace, but rather to smooth it out and even it. In my experience, Skotchbrite works best and easiest on the stuff we deal with.
You do NOT have to prime over the iron phosphate, if you have a complete coating, no bare metal showing. Primers are used to provide a good bond between bare metal and enamel. Iron phosphate doesn't require an additional primer, it is one.

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