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Fixing rusted pitts in sheet metal

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Tom

11-11-2001 19:57:30




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I am painting a old hay baler and the sheet metal is rusted We have cleaned it real good but it has the rusted pitts in it We want to smooth this out and then paint so it will look good What can we use? Thanks




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Tim

11-12-2001 16:36:49




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 Re: Fixing rusted pitts in sheet metal in reply to Tom, 11-11-2001 19:57:30  
Tom, I sanded the hood on my tractor then used a product called oxi-solve that I bought from the sears automotive catalog, eastwood carries the same products. It turns the rust in the pits into zinc phosphate. Then I used a filler primer from my automotive paint supplier. I used two or three coats sanding in between each coat. It left a real smooth finish and I sprayed enamal right over it. Good luck, Tim

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Jerry B

11-12-2001 07:45:03




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 Re: Fixing rusted pitts in sheet metal in reply to Tom, 11-11-2001 19:57:30  
The best way to fill the pits is to use a self ectching primer on the bare metal. Let is set for a few hours to dry out and then spray the area with a primer-filler. The multi stage (epoxy) primers work best as they go on thick and dry in a matter of 20-30 minutes. You then sand the area with a long board sander or DA sander using 180 grit paper until the etching primer is starting to show. Spray another coat of primer, let it dry and sand again.

Another method I have used on very badly pitted metal is to spray the self etching primer on as usual and let it dry. Then mix up a small batch of spot putty. I recommend the best you can buy as it sands better than the cheap stuff, doesn't clog the paper and finishes out better. This will only take one coat to do the job because after all the spot putty is just high grade body filler and fills deep pits quicker than 2-3 coats of primer. You can apply the putty with a spreader or your finger. Shallow pits seem to fill better with a finger rather than a spreader as your finger will push the putty deeper to the pit and a spreader can merely drag a thin layer over the top of the pit. On very small areas I have used a razor blade to smooth the filler after appying with my finger.

Do not use laquer based primer for this operation as you will have to let the primer dry and each coat will take twice as long to dry as the previous coat. This will take days to complete the depitting rather than just a few hours.

A tip about epoxy primers. They are expensive and you do not need to waste any more than absolutely necassary. If you have a large are to prime out and work on you can mix up what you think will be enough to do the entire area. If you know it will take more than 2 coats then you can safely mix up a large enough primer to do all you need to do ahead of time. If left in the cup and at room (shop) temperature, the primer will dry and set up in about an hour. If however, you keep the cup in the refrigerator you can keep the primer from "kicking over" (starting to harden) for about 2-3 hours. Just take the gun out long enough to shoot the required primer and then back into the fridge with it. AT the first sign of thickening you can add a touch more reducer to it, finish spraying and use up the remainder. CLEAN THE GUN RIGHT NOW!!!

Good luck.

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AGR538

11-12-2001 14:12:31




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 Re: Re: Fixing rusted pitts in sheet metal in reply to Jerry B, 11-12-2001 07:45:03  
What about something called Sand and Fill Primer. I have never used it but I understand it fills in the pits better than etching primer. I am looking for the same advice as Jerry.



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Jerry B

11-13-2001 06:11:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Fixing rusted pitts in sheet metal in reply to AGR538, 11-12-2001 14:12:31  
The etching primers are not intended to fill pits. Etching primers are used to prepare the surface to recieve other primers.

Fill and Prime is just a thick primer like any good primer.

Epoxy based (multi-stage) primers are able to be mixed in varying degrees of thickness for different applications.



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Cary

11-12-2001 07:08:56




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 Re: Fixing rusted pitts in sheet metal in reply to Tom, 11-11-2001 19:57:30  
Tom, check out the IH discussion board. I plan to use the suggestion by "Alabama" using fiberglass resin to "paint" the grille and hood on my 41' Farmall H. That's after I put a rust converter on it. I'll paint it after that. This resin is supposed to fill in those pits.



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Jerry B

11-13-2001 06:21:23




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 Re: Re: Fixing rusted pitts in sheet metal in reply to Cary, 11-12-2001 07:08:56  
You can cover the sheet metal with glass resin but keep one thing in mind: resin isn't very flexible. If it encounters very much vibration, it can crack.

If you use the primer method to fill pits and are worried about cracking due to flexing, you can use a product called "Bull Dog Adhesion Promoter" mixed into your primer. It will make the primer take a little longer to dry but it does add flexiblity to it.

Makes for tough sanding however. Ever try to sand flexible plastic?

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