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Lloyd

02-17-2003 16:01:28




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I`ve just used PPG`s omni paint for the first time. After reading previous posts for a couple of years I asked the lady at the paint store about the danger. Her reply was that if we were not professionals that were exposed all the time there was no need for the fresh air system. We have used hardener in paint before on five tractor paint jobs. Are we at great risk by doing this.




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Rod (NH)

02-17-2003 16:50:36




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 Re: urethane paints in reply to Lloyd, 02-17-2003 16:01:28  
Hi Lloyd,

Was that the lady that sold you the can of OMNI hardener with the label saying "This material is designed for application by professional, trained personnel using proper equipment under controlled conditions, and is not intended for sale to the general public"? and on the same label: "...use a positive pressure air-supplied respirator for the entire time of spraying ..."? :o).

Seriously though, different people are affected differently with different exposure levels to isocyanates. See the link that indicates even a single exposure can cause a problem for some and it is not predicable for any specific individual. I found this out the hard way for myself many years ago, which is why I wouldn't touch urethanes or hardened enamels without supplied-air.

For individuals not in the employ of others, it is a personal decision (rightly so) as to what extent they will protect themselves from known hazardous materials, given the best information available. Read up on the hazards of isocyanates. Do a web search on the term. Make sure you understand the manufacturer's recommendations. Don't take any single recommendation as gospel. I am not going to tell you that you are great risk. I will tell you that I would not do it (anymore) and I would not recommend others do it. You will have to assess the risk(s) and make that final decision for yourself.

Rod

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Lloyd

02-20-2003 16:29:17




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 Re: Re: urethane paints in reply to Rod (NH), 02-17-2003 16:50:36  
Hey Rod Thanks for your reply. I am a 50 year old farmer who was just told two weeks ago that I have ashma. I know that is spelled wrong but there seems to be no spellcheck. I blame exposure to dust over the years for the problem but now am much more concerned about health issues than when I was younger. Even though we don`t paint often i think I will look into a fresh air system. I have a younger employee who does most of the painting now but I am just as concerned about his health as my own. Thanks again for your reply. Lloyd

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Keith

02-21-2003 03:21:24




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 Re: Re: Re: urethane paints in reply to Lloyd, 02-20-2003 16:29:17  
Past experiance has told me "use fresh air". Started with painting one tractor and did not feel well after it was done, but life goes on. Then others asked me to do other painting with harders in the urathane... Boy was I sick! No reason to not get a fresh air system, for the few $$'s it cost me, it was more then worth it, & now I paint for lots of folks, but the fresh air mask is always on & NO ONE! is alowed into the area until it is done & The fumes have dissapated! What sense does it make for you to wear a mask and someone else is standing in the same room without one?? Think my mask cost me around $90 but wont leave home without it.
Keith

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CNKS

02-22-2003 09:42:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: urethane paints in reply to Keith, 02-21-2003 03:21:24  
Fresh air systems cost $500+ new, or did you get a used one? $90 for a twin cartridge mask is about twice too much, unless you have some sort of a hood. That type of mask or hood will not filter out isocyanates, and are good only for filtering out the usual paint fumes. For isos you need a blower that sucks in outside air and sends it through a hose to your hood or mask.



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Mark

02-23-2003 05:37:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: urethane paints in reply to CNKS, 02-22-2003 09:42:48  
ISOcyanates are nothing to play around with. They will use any opportunity to kill you. First exposure sensitizes you, second and up will cause extreme respiratory distress. If you are spraying with ISO's, GET a fresh air system or build one. I watched my Grandpa die with emphysema, and no amount of money or time saved is worth that.
Now, what I did since I only occasionally spray paint is build a fresh air system that I found on the internet. It's basically a big box with a bathroom fan in it, a furnace filter on the outside, box sealed well, with a hose running out of the box into a flexible vent tube about 50' long. From there goes to a charcoal mask that has both charcoal filters removed, one side is sealed up, the other has a hose fitting on it. The hose from the box fits in there. Turn the box on, you have positive air at your mouth, and a valve on the charcoal mask that closes when you inhale. I've used this system for painting HVLP iso-cyanate paints, and it worked great. I have been exposed to ISO paints years ago, and got really sick. With my new box system, I didn't even get dizzy. Total cost of the system was about $60. Don't take chances with your health.

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CNKS

02-23-2003 09:29:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: urethane paints in reply to Mark, 02-23-2003 05:37:24  
If you are satisfied with it, fine. I also heard of someone making one using the electric pump off an air mattress. I use a tyvec hood, easy to tear, but I take care of it. Air source comes from the back, so there is nothing hanging down in front. My whole head is protected. Isos aren't good for your eyes either. I wear a long sleeved shirt and gloves. I have been sensitized to certain herbicides, don't want that to happen with isos, or I'll be dead.

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Mark

02-23-2003 17:58:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: urethane paints in reply to CNKS, 02-23-2003 09:29:06  
Good advice. I also plan to replace my charcoal rigged mask with a hood in the future. I was under the gun for time when I put it together, and it worked pretty good, but you have to be carefull with the hose so that it stays planted on your face. A hood would be much easier. The air pump works flawless. I don't think I can improve on it.



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Keith

02-21-2003 03:16:22




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 Re: Re: Re: urethane paints in reply to Lloyd, 02-20-2003 16:29:17  
Past experiance has told me "use fresh air". Started with painting one tractor and did not feel well after it was done, but life goes on. Then others asked me to do other painting with harders in the urathane... Boy was I sick! No reason to not get a fresh air system, for the few $$'s it cost me, it was more then worth it, & now I paint for lots of folks, but the fresh air mask is always on & NO ONE! is alowed into the area until it is done & The fumes have dissapated! What sense does it make for you to wear a mask and someone else is standing in the same room without one?? Think my mask cost me around $90 but wont leave home without it.
Keith

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