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Lessening Isocyanate Exposure

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Steve8N275777

05-29-2003 15:38:01




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I'm getting ready to do some painting on the 8N and am concerned with isocyanate exposure from hardeners. The benefits of using hardeners seem to make them the way to go, but the expense for a supplied air respirator for a one time usage seems hard to justify.

What have some of you done to lessen the risks in terms of:

-Paint alternatives (are there different hardeners or good paint systems that don't contain iso's?)

-Methods (outdoor spraying, brushing, etc.)

-Protection (build your own?)

-Bite the bullet and buy a supplied air system? (Is there a resale or rental market for this stuff?)

Just want to stay healthy and financially solvent.

Thanks for sharing any tips or experiences you've had.

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Rod (NH)

05-29-2003 19:35:36




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 Re: Lessening Isocyanate Exposure in reply to Steve8N275777, 05-29-2003 15:38:01  
Hi Steve,

My thoughts:

You are correct in being concerned about the health issues involved with the use of isocyanate-containing paint products. You are also correct in thinking the benefits of such products make them a preferred way to proceed, providing the health-safety aspects of their use are dealt with. In my opinion, that means supplied-air...period. No half-baked measures here. Your good health should not be risked for a "better" paint on a tractor. Some people are adversely affected by a single exposure so the problem is not just long term use. I do speak from some experience as I had an adverse reaction many years ago after spraying a single car (outside I might add) with just a chemical cartridge respirator. After the second car and a second bad reaction, I decided that if I wanted to continue painting using hardeners I would get a supplied air system. I did just that some 25 years ago. I have never regretted it. I don't paint that much either; just for myself and occasionally for a friend.

Alternatives: Enamel w/o hardener. Acrylic or synthetic, preferably acrylic. This is not a BAD option even though it is seldom used by autobody shops anymore. You just have to understand and live with the limitations of not using the hardener.

Methods: IMO you really cannot properly address this problem with application methods. The only time I use paint containing isos without supplied-air is ONLY 1) outside AND 2) with an artists brush for touching up bolt heads and nuts. It is a personal decision though and one you will have to make for yourself.

Protection: Supplied-air. Clean, fresh air continuously supplied under positive pressure to a facepiece...preferably a full facepiece or a hood (your eyes and skin need protection as well as your lungs). Build your own? I would frown on that. I did, however, ASSEMBLE my own system that has worked very nicely for a long time. I purchased a full facepiece all set up for fresh air and provided my own compressed air supply. Such a combination is not certified in any way and would not be appropriate if any labor laws (OHSA) are involved. It does work well for my own personal use though. The compressor is a dedicated, non-lubricated, tankless unit that supplies air at low pressure through 50 feet of 3/8" standard compressed air line. You need a minimum of 4 cfm for a facepiece or 6 cfm for a hood.

Bite the bullet?: Yes. I don't know about resale value but I would guess if you advertised a fresh air system on one of the autobody boards (or possibly even here) as "one time use, good buy", it would be sold in a hurry.

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Steve8N275777

05-30-2003 10:11:33




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 Re: Re: Lessening Isocyanate Exposure in reply to Rod (NH), 05-29-2003 19:35:36  
Thanks Rod - you make a lot of sense with all these points. I posted the same questions over on the Ford N Tractor board and was surprised by the diversity of opinions.



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Adam P

05-30-2003 19:16:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Lessening Isocyanate Exposure in reply to Steve8N275777, 05-30-2003 10:11:33  
Easy Na!!!, diversity is usually a good thing, I hope you meant that in a nice way!!! LOL (we're here too :)!!!
Adam P



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