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roon

07-17-2003 20:39:32




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Hello All, I have several questions about "rust converters", maybe someone can help me out. I have searched the archives but am not finding what I think I need to know. First, I have gone to NAPA and a local auto painting store, both places look at me like I am crazy when I mention rust converters, the only thing they have is Extend Naval Jelly, but I was under the impression you could not paint over naval jelly without removing it first? So what do I use and most importantly how do I apply? I figure on wire brushing and/or sanding then apply the converter, let it dry and sand then prime with self etching or regular primer. Is this the right procedure? I am repainting a snowblower at this time that is rusted pretty bad and it ain't going to any tractor shows.

Any advise would be greatly appreicated.

Thanks,
Roon

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Phil Bench

10-06-2003 00:37:16




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 Re: Rust Converter in reply to roon, 07-17-2003 20:39:32  
Dear ROON, Regarding rust converters, you need to lightly wire brush the rust areas to just remove the loose rust particles then apply 1 coat of Metaltech rust converter alow to cure for 16-20 hrs then apply Tetracure P10 primer or Ultra aprime marine epoxy primer then apply top coats.

Metaltech is a the self priming cross linking polymer that acts as its own primer and converts the rust to a Tanate will provide protection without further coats for short times,it is reccomended that it be overcoated for optimum protection. trust the above helps regards Phil.

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PS - Rod (NH)

07-18-2003 07:58:56




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 Re: Rust Converter in reply to roon, 07-17-2003 20:39:32  
As far as the self-etching primer goes; If you decide to go with any type of "rust treatment" or "rust converter", I would not recommend any type of self-etching primer. I am not a fan of self-etching primers anyway, but they are intended for bare metal surfaces. And without significant rusting, I might add. Depending on the exact brand of self-etcher, there usually are very specific requirements on what it can go on top of and what can go on top of it. A two part epoxy primer such as PPG OMNI MP170 would be a far, far better choice in my opinion.

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Rod (NH)

07-18-2003 05:05:51




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 Re: Rust Converter in reply to roon, 07-17-2003 20:39:32  
Hi Roon,

Extend is NOT naval jelly, despite what the folks at NAPA tell you. Extend is a tradename of Loctite Corp and is also marketed under the Permatex name in NAPA stores. It is a rust treatment that can be painted over. The Permatex item number is 81773 for a 16 oz. bottle. It is also available in spray cans but, after using both, I much prefer the brush on variety. It is somewhat difficult to avoid brush strokes, so if you want to avoid noticeable strokes, use a roller. It's worked good for me that way.

Here's a tech sheet in pdf format for the Loctite stuff. The Permatex stuff at NAPA is the same.

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JOHN

11-21-2003 04:57:16




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 Re: Re: Rust Converter in reply to Rod (NH), 07-18-2003 05:05:51  



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roon

07-18-2003 19:49:46




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 Re: Re: Rust Converter in reply to Rod (NH), 07-18-2003 05:05:51  
Rod, Thanks for the info. I am going to a different NAPA store in the morning to talk to those guys about the Permatex Extend. What is the proceedure for applying and painting though? Do I wire brush, wipe down, apply Extend, allow to dry then prime? Or are there additional steps I am missing? I don't want to have to do this twice.

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Roon



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Rod (NH)

07-18-2003 21:36:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Rust Converter in reply to roon, 07-18-2003 19:49:46  
It's basically the same as the Loctite version as indicated in the pdf link. You can view a pdf file, right? Anyway, the label for the Permatex version indicates (in brief):

1. Scrape and wipe off dirt and oil
2. Sand with coarse paper or wirebrush (to remove loose rust) 3. Apply first coat of Extend
4. Apply second coat of Extend within 20 min
5. Protect from moisture for 24 hours before applying a topcoat. There is a note for "automotive applications" to allow an extra 24 hrs for topcoating.

It's really the same stuff as the Loctite version and the Loctite tech sheet is much more detailed and specific regarding instructions for use. I don't think it has the "automotive applications" wording though, as does the Permatex label.

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Dave

09-28-2003 23:56:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Rust Converter in reply to Rod (NH), 07-18-2003 21:36:41  
Give this stuff a look see.

Rust Bullet



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