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HELP! Bodywork Dinasaur lost in modern day paint

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Bill

08-23-2003 16:47:33




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Have not picked up the body tools or the paint gun in over 25 years. Have the time now...Have this one ton diesel Ford dump truck I'm real fond of. Put a new coat of aftemarket tin on her/nearly done. Wow.. tin has gotten cheap with the advent of after market if ya don't mind adjusting it. Now painting the old girl looms... With initial inquiries nothing I am/was familiar with exists anymore.... The truck is red.. I doubt anyone would recognize if it wasn't the factory red. What I need is some one to tell me what I can safely paint in my garage without a positive air flow mask that will hold a shine for a few years, reasonably priced & if it's available mail order, on the internet, NAPA, farm tractor dealer ( International Farm All red would work..) or other source. What do you guys use for such a job? I'm not looking to restore her/spend more money on a gallon of paint than I spent on the tin, just make her look good....

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Rod (NH)

08-23-2003 21:10:11




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 Re: HELP! Bodywork Dinasaur lost in modern day pa in reply to Bill, 08-23-2003 16:47:33  
Hi Bill,

I agree with CNKS (as usual). An acrylic enamel w/o hardener is your best choice absent the fresh air respirator. For my opinion on the downsides of using an acrylic enamel w/o a hardener see this previous post of mine on the subject. Red is going to be a tough color relative to fading. An acrylic enamel is going to be better than a synthetic enamel though and I would recommend you stay away from the "tractor paints" you get at the dealers and elsewhere.

My recommendation would be a true automotive acrylic enamel from DuPont or PPG. Martin Senour (available from NAPA) likely also has a good acrylic enamel but I am not familiar with that line. In the DuPont line, Centari would be the one to go with. That is still usable w/o hardener if you use the correct reducer; at least it was a year ago. PPGs Delstar was an equivalent top grade acylic enamel but is no longer available (at least in my area). PPG has an economical line of automotive paints called OMNI. In that line, MAE is a decent acylic enamel. Check out suppliers to local autobody shops in your area to see if DuPont or PPG is represented locally. You should be able to go over color chip info to find a red to your liking from some automotive application. Judging from your concern with cost, I recommend you investigate the PPG OMNI MAE if you have a local supplier. Be prepared for a price shock if you haven't bought automotive paint in recent years. Expect $50+ per gallon for the MAE, not including reducer. That's the low end. Everything else is up from there.

Good luck,

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CNKS

08-24-2003 14:11:56




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 Re: Re: HELP! Bodywork Dinasaur lost in modern da in reply to Rod (NH), 08-23-2003 21:10:11  
Rod -- I think we agree because I learned a lot of what I know from reading your posts on this board. And, what you say to do works!



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Bill

08-24-2003 04:34:53




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 Re: Re: HELP! Bodywork Dinasaur lost in modern da in reply to Rod (NH), 08-23-2003 21:10:11  
First off THANKS for giving your time & exp. My initial encounter with with the local body supply ( where I spent a ton of money in what seems like another life/there's no one there now not even the owner that I knew/knew me )I think I got hustled along & they were unwilling to take any time with me. They were talking $75 to $100 a quart with the hardeners & such in terms I did not recognize other than the positive flow air mask... The 3 minutes I spent there ( Place was not even busy at the time. Musta been interupting their naps...) sent me away confused & in sticker shock. Based on inflation in relation to my 25 year old mental data base, $100 to $175 a gallon was expected... Also, reading the information you supplied, now I know why I can't get Alkyd enamel at the local hardware that I used for brush on projects around the property anymore..

The qustion: I'm really not supposed to paint anymore. Liver damage from painting in the 60's & 70's.. This will likely be my only spray project & I'm only gonna paint the truck cab. My 30 year old Snap On paint gun is gonna need new O rings of that I'm sure... Based on paint cost per quantity, would you think I'd break somewhere even if I picked up one of those cheapie HLVP guns for around $75 from Harbour Frieght for example? With my liver I'd also like to keep the airbornes down. I know ahaed of time that not having painted in 25 years the best I can hope for is it'll look OK at 20 paces... The cheapie gun won't make the job any better even if I was current on my skills but if I can save enough on the paint amount required to justify the purchase I'd like to do that too based on the old liver... OH YEAH!!! Have you ever looked into Magnet Paints @ Link ? For lack of any other Ideas I did a ahoo search on paints & found theseguys. Like most web sites they look impresive to the uninformed. Was curious what an opion of an informed person might be???? THANKS!!!! Bill.

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Rod (NH)

08-24-2003 11:43:00




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP! Bodywork Dinasaur lost in moder in reply to Bill, 08-24-2003 04:34:53  
Bill, you're very welcome. I guess you could call me one of those old dinosaurs too third party image. My main gun is a DeVilbiss JGA, pressure fed from a remote cup, from about 1975. It worked great then and still does now. There is an awful lot of hype about hvlp. It of course was developed as a response to environmental emission regulations and not entirely as a cost saver. I do not dispute that the transfer efficiency is better with hvlp. However it is also slow. Very slow if you are used to regular guns from days past. And you need to move a little closer to the surface than you might be used to. I wanted to replace my touch-up gun a little over a year ago and decided to go for an hvlp unit. It works good but I feel I am painting in slow motion. There is still a goodly amount of overspray. I do not notice a great difference in that between the hvlp unit and my older non-hvlp touch-up gun. I am not impressed. However, I will take the word of those who have actually measured the differences that the overspray is less with hvlp. I doubt very much that any difference would equate to significant cost savings for the intermittent user though. For the one-time use you are contemplating, I think it would be a waste of your good money. Better to replace whatever seals need it in your Snap-On gun (if you can get them). I have never replaced any seals in my DeVilbiss so your gun may still work OK as is. I'd take it apart, clean it up, lubricate it, check it out with a test spray and see if you really need to do anything at all. I personally think you would be disappointed with an hvlp replacement, having used the older equipment. If you were going to go back in the painting "business" using the more modern paints, that would be a different situation.

I am aware of Magnet Paints but have never used their products so I can't give you an informed opinion. I am more concerned with paint chemistry and quality than with brand though. There are high and low ends in both chemistry and quality in most product lines. A high end acrylic is going to cost quite a bit more than a low end synthetic (alkyd) no matter whose product lines you are comparing. There is certainly more than enough choices out there to satisfy any paint need or budget. Of course you can't expect a $25/gal "no-name" sythetic enamel to perform to levels similar to a $300/gal high end DuPont urethane. There should be no argument there.

It is a rare paint salesman/rep indeed that cares more about your own unique needs and budget rather than simply peddling the latest and greatest product being used among the pro autobody crowd. You need to do your own independent research. Fortunately, the internet has made paint technical information quite abundant. Most of the "brand name" automotive paint manufacturers have great web sites and make all the technical data sheets (usage) and MSDS (safety) information available for free download. You can learn more at those sites by browsing than listening to a salesman trying to sell you what "Joe Blow Pro" uses. No offense intended to the pros.

You should be able to get alkyd (synthetic) enamel in home and industrial lines at hardware stores and home centers for brush jobs. That chemistry is just not prominent in the automotive trades anymore (goodby DuPont Dulux!). Even the acrylic enamels in the auto lines are rapidly being replaced by the urethanes, mostly in base/clear configurations rather than single stage. I see no advantage at all to base/clear for overall paint jobs but that's probably the dinosaur in me talking :o).

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CNKS

08-23-2003 18:08:44




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 Re: HELP! Bodywork Dinasaur lost in modern day pa in reply to Bill, 08-23-2003 16:47:33  
Without positive flow air mask? Acrylic enamel -- It will cure slowly (months?) without hardener, and will fade eventually. You can wax it. Case-IH paints are synthetic enamels, as far as I know, not as good as acrylic enamel.



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