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Bill

09-13-2003 06:51:10




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What type of compressor is best for breathing air while painting? What are the costs and where is the best place to get one?
Thank you, Bill




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Jason

09-14-2003 06:18:05




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 Re: breathing air compressor in reply to Bill, 09-13-2003 06:51:10  
what I have been using is a fire fighters scot pac. A friend gave me two of them when the dept he works for could no longer use them. I've had to pay $30 to have the tanks hydro ( 5 year test ) and $5 to fill the tank. Now this is not the easiest system to work with i.e. big tank on your back, tyvek suit, scrached face mask and crawling under a tractor makes for a interesting paint job but it's better than death. This also only gives me about 20-30 min of air. What I want to do is to take dive tanks and cascade them together in the corner of the shop. Then hook them up with a 50 ft hose to my face mask. I have access to more dive tanks than scot tanks but the plumbing of this project is the current hold up. btw Rod et al is there any safety issues I'm missing with this setup I should know about. The scot pac face mask's are a postive pressure system thanks J

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Rusty Jones

09-15-2003 12:51:36




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 Re: Re: breathing air compressor in reply to Jason, 09-14-2003 06:18:05  
The breathing air compressor is usually a small diaphragm type compressor, oilless, with a filter on the air intake. It should be placed in an area where the overspray can't get to it. Preferably outside, or in another room, but not near the exhaust fan area! Best idea is to go to an auto paint store and buy what they recommend. just remember, the price will be high because it is a Government regulated deal. There are cheaper oilless compressors out there for sale which will do the same thing, just watch where you set them when painting, preferably upwind from the site! RJ P.S. Painting one paint job won't necessarily kill you immediately, but the stuff has a cumulative effect on your lungs!

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Rod (NH)

09-14-2003 16:53:21




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 Re: Re: breathing air compressor in reply to Jason, 09-14-2003 06:18:05  
Hi Jason,

I don't know much about self-contained breathing apparatus. I would guess it would fine. After all, they are used in atmospheres immediately dangerous to life.

I am more familiar with the continuous flow system and I guess the scba is more of a flow-on-demand type of system. If the facepiece is always under a positive pressure, fine. But if it has to go negative (with respect to surroundings) to intiate flow from the tanks, you should pay attention to maintaining a good face seal all around.

The only other thing I could think off is just make sure your plumbing is clean and wherever you have your tanks filled, have breathing quality air used just like they would do for diver's tanks.

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Rod (NH)

09-13-2003 08:59:07




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 Re: breathing air compressor in reply to Bill, 09-13-2003 06:51:10  
Hi Bill,

I'll give you my own thoughts on this issue. As far as I know there is no air compressor that is "approved" by NIOSH (National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health) for breathing air, even though there are "approved" masks and hoses. However, there are "official" compressors for that purpose, together with associated air filtering and purification equipment to be used with them. If you wish to go this route, the costs can get real big, real fast. You can check out some of the available systems here.

If you are thinking only in terms of your own, limited, personal use, a more practical alternative is possible, IMO. If you are going to be supplying a facemask (preferably a full one), a dedicated, tankless, non-lubricated compressor is workable. I have used a 1hp portable Campbell-Hausefeld (sp?) unit for such a purpose for a long time. I use it to feed a full facepiece respirator through about 50 feet of standard 3/8" air hose. You should count on needing about 4 cfm of air for a facepiece or 6 cfm for a hood. The compressor should be non-lubricated to not only avoid breathing (and tasting) oil vapor in the air but more importantly to avoid the possibility (however remote) of CO formation and asphyxiation. It should be a tankless unit to avoid the possibility of any bad bacteria developing in the closed, moist environment that storage tanks provide. You should also use care in the use of the hose; make sure it is always clean and preferably dedicate it to respirator use. This type of air supply is VERY dependent on proper location of the compressor unit to avoid anything unsafe from being sucked in the intake. It needs to be located a sufficient distance away from the spraying operation to avoid any possibility of recirculating overspray or fumes.

You will likely find that any compressor similar to the CH one noted above will be extremely noisy and annoying. I do. However, for limited personal use, I think the benefits far outweigh the annoyance. Unless you already have the facepiece, you are not likely to find the above arrangement to be any cheaper than the commercially-available Hobby-Air system ($400-$600). I personally prefer the compressor route because I think the 3/8 hose is easier to drag around than the larger hose used with turbine type systems such as the Hobby-Air. I have never used the Hobby-Air but it does seem to provide quite good, relatively low cost protection for the occaisional painter.

Caveat: I am not a medical or legal professional and cannot advise on either medical or legal matters. I am only explaining what common sense provisions I have used for a long time successfully in this area. Your own situation may be unique and you should consider the above as "food for thought" only.

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CNKS

09-13-2003 09:51:39




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 Re: Re: breathing air compressor in reply to Rod (NH), 09-13-2003 08:59:07  
I agree. Although I have never used the tankless, oiless compressor like you have. I do have a Hobby Air, and dragging the hose around along with the air hose going to the gun is somewhat cumbersome. Instead of a mask I have a hood, with tearoff sheets so that you can get a "clear" view. You can get a halfmask, and be able to see better, but with iso's my understanding that the more of yourself you can cover, the better. One advantage of the hood is that I wear glasses to paint, and some full face masks might interfere, although if I had one I would try it since the hood is also somewhat cumbersome.

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Rod (NH)

09-13-2003 17:31:01




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 Re: Re: Re: breathing air compressor in reply to CNKS, 09-13-2003 09:51:39  
Oh, absolutely. The more of you that gets covered the better. Eyes are second right after breathing. That's why I think a full facepiece is so much better than a half mask. They have the tearoff sheets also. But the hood accomplishes the same thing. I suspect you might have a problem with glasses and the full facepiece. I think there might be enough room inside for them but getting the thing on over them could be a real hassle. And getting it back off too. The hood is probably best in your case.

We have to stop agreeing like this...not enough "entertainment" for the lurkers :o). Having posted with you here for some time though, I am sure we could disagree without becoming disagreeable. Unlike some of the supposedly professional painters on this other forum. The last three days there have been entertaining if not informative. The name calling and insults have been flying fast and furious. Some of those guys are acting like six year old spoiled brats. They should be treated accordingly; the old fashioned way. It's that type of inconsiderate posters that can ruin an otherwise good forum.

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CNKS

09-13-2003 18:52:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: breathing air compressor in reply to Rod (NH), 09-13-2003 17:31:01  
Didn't know about that forum, will look at it occasionally. As to agreement, you will notice that I don't stray much from the "book" recommendations (don't know what else to call them), and only answer the basic stuff. I'll let you handle the rest.



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Rod (NH)

09-14-2003 16:38:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: breathing air compressor in reply to CNKS, 09-13-2003 18:52:32  
Well, I'm pretty much a "go by the book" guy myself. Usually you have the best luck that way. You probably will not find me recommending much outside manufacturer's recommendations unless I have personally done it and know for sure it works. That would not be frequently.



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