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Dave S

10-03-2003 09:45:36




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I'm looking to get some ideas on stripping my UTS down to bare metal. I had my H sand blasted which did a good job but what a mess. Grains of sand comming out every where. Would like your ideas on chemical, sanding disc's, wire wheels. I'd still sand blast small items that I removed and rims and such.I'm in no hurry, I've got all winter. If it worked for you let me know! Thanks




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D13

10-11-2003 03:26:37




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 Re: Stripping methods in reply to Dave S, 10-03-2003 09:45:36  
My little Allis has later QUality (soft) enamel over the original (65 year old) paint. I found sand blasting worked good on the rust and old paint, but the newer paint was so soft the sand seemed to stick.

I have had little luck getting things properly cleande without disassembly. Since I am rebuilding them anyways this usually is not a problem.

I found the dollar stores carry an oven cleaner that works great for paint stripping and light degreasing. I spray on the cleaner, let set overnight, dampen and wire brush, then water rinse. Lifts the majority of the paint in 1 applicaiton. Just takes a little time. For hevy crud and thick paint, I follow the first round with scraping, wire brushing, and a second round of cleaner.

For small parts I use electrolysis to derust, works good unless very badly pitted and even then it's not bad. For big parts I either sand blast or wire brush and shoot Rustoleum, and let it sit for quite a while to let the oils bleed off. Depends on how persnickity I am about the part (i.e. if it's going to be very visible).

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Lye Gravy....F-I-T

10-04-2003 15:54:05




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 Re: Stripping methods in reply to Dave S, 10-03-2003 09:45:36  
Dave S:

I mix lye with a thinkener (corn starh) and spray it on with a parts cleaning wand. It works like oven cleaner, but it is dirt cheap. I've cleaned several tractors down to the bare skins with it. I also have an 8hp compressor and TIP sand blaster that I have not used in two years since I have been mixing my own cleaner.

I have a write up on my webpage for it as well as electrolysis cleaning if you're interested.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
70D // 855 // VAC
wb8ens@aol.com

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Gene Bordelon

10-05-2003 21:59:01




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 Re: Re: Stripping methods in reply to Lye Gravy....F-I-T, 10-04-2003 15:54:05  
Frank, just went to your website and I have to say that your work is superb! A real craftsman for sure. That JD 70 is beyond gorgeous inside and out.
I also appreciate you sharing your lye gravy recipe with us and I'm definately going to give it a try. : )
Thanks!

Gene



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carpenter

10-04-2003 06:02:42




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 Re: Stripping methods in reply to Dave S, 10-03-2003 09:45:36  
A $25.00 sand blasting attachment to a pressure washer sure brings a smile to my face. Not a lot of people have tried it but it is wunderful.
Very fast and not very dirty or dusty and easier on thin sheat metal. Available at Northern Hydrolics. Everyone who has a pressure washer should own one.



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CNKS

10-03-2003 19:03:16




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 Re: Stripping methods in reply to Dave S, 10-03-2003 09:45:36  
I don't own a sandblaster, except for a spot blaster for small parts. Gene's suggestions below are good, I have no disareement. First get the tractor clean with oven cleaner and a pressure washer. Unlike others, however, I have had little success using oven cleaner to remove paint, I use it mainly for cleaning. I have stripped with wire brushes on a drill and used an angle grinder. The other way is to use chemical stripper, I use the stuff Walmart sells. I brush it on a small area, let it sit for a few minutes, and remove with a wire brush on my drill. It comes off fairly easily (what a mess, paint and stripper everywhere including me). I have not had to scrape as Gene suggests, however. Gene is correct when he says you have to remove all the stripper. By this time my tractor is in a non-running, non-moving condition. I do not have a hot water pressure washer, so the stripper is removed with repeated washings, a combination of liquid (water based)parts cleaner, soap and water, etc, and then cleaned repeately with wax and grease remover, to hopefully remove any traces of whatever other products I have used, including the paint stripper. This last step is important to assure paint adhesion, and no interference with contaminants. I then coat the cast with a rust converter/preventative to remove any rust I may have missed and also remove flash rust that occurs when you use water. One thing that I have not seen mentioned on this board or anywhere else for that matter, is that cast is VERY dirty. If you use wire brushes as I do the old paint, rust, and other crud gets ground into the pores in the cast. This is where a high pressure, hot water, pressure washer would be handy. It takes me several hours of repeated washing with a hose, and whatever cleaner I am using to get it all off (I never am sure). I dry with white rags, I like the last one to come back clean, it takes a LONG time before that happens. I have my cast wheels sandblasted, they are still dirty, but are much easier to clean. Of course the engine and chassis have more of the 50 years of oil and grime than the wheels do. Easier to sandblast if you have access to one, if and only if you can keep the sand out of places you don't want it to be. I am NOT saying that my method is best, it is just one way to do it.

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Gene Bordelon

10-03-2003 16:29:30




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 Re: Stripping methods in reply to Dave S, 10-03-2003 09:45:36  
Dave, the best way to go is liquid paint stripper. Even the Klean Strip brand at Wal Mart will work but I prefer Aircraft Stripper. I use liquid stripper exclusively on all sheet metal. Chassis are done with it on an "on condition" basis. Sometimes chassis do not need to be completely stripped especially if this is going to be a working tractor. A thorough degreasing and DA sanding with 80 then 180 grit and 4" welders blending disks and small high speed grinders will do a nice job of prepping the chassis. You can use stripper on chassis but it means a lot of work with the small steel tooth brush style brushes and a razor scraper. Of course hot water pressure washing is the only way to remove the stripper completely and will save you a lot of elbow grease. In fact I would not recommend liquid stripper on a chassis unless it can be pressure washed with a good hot water unit to be sure all stripper is removed. If you miss a spot you will notice it as soon as the paint hits the metal. I sandblasted an 8N once in my early days and that will be the last time I ever sandblast a tractor. I spent days cleaning sand out of it even though I was careful sealing it up. Sandblasting sheet metal pieces needs to be done with care and not aggressively as it can very easily warped since you change the surface tension of the metal.
Bead blasting is for sure the way to go for small parts, brackets etc.
Speaking from my own experience though I think liquid stripper is the only way to go. It's fast,effective and preserves the original texture of the metal be it sheet or cast.
Good luck and be sure to show us some pics when she's finished!

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Joe Evans

10-03-2003 12:59:59




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 Re: Stripping methods in reply to Dave S, 10-03-2003 09:45:36  
Dave S: at my place of employment, and when I used to run our shop, we sandblasted and painted two forklifts. Lived to regret ever doing that. There was sand in places where places don't exist. Seals were damaged as were hydraulic cylinder rams. We chased sand particles for months! Now, it must be said that the guy I had doing the sandblasting was not the most conscientious guy in the world and was (apparently) very careless about where the blast nozzle was aimed. Even allowing for that, I still would not do it again in that manner--that is, not disassembling the machines first.

Sandblasting can't be beaten for stripping. If you have all winter, I would disassemble as much as possible and blast these--sounds like you're going to do this anyway. These removed items can be cleaned and painted carefully before assembly.
As to rest of the machine that you cannot blast,
CNKS and Rod H have a lot of great suggestions about this topic and most can be found on this board. Do an archive search. I have copied and pasted a lot of their suggestions onto a text file for future reference.

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