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Slowpoke

11-25-2003 14:10:37




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I had a bad 5.60x15 tire on an AC C front wheel.
I discovered the inside of the rim was badly rusted all around because the flat tire let water in. After extensive power wire brushing and wiping down with mineral spirits, I am left with large pits, some up to 3/8" across x1/16+ deep. I know the wire brush can't get in the pits very well, and I am not down to bright bare metal elsewhere. The question is can I use bondo to smooth out the surface, with out further prep? I also thought of using phosphorus which turns black, then bondo and paint. Any ideas if either one will work?

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F-I-T

11-25-2003 21:04:20




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 Re: Deep rust pits in reply to Slowpoke, 11-25-2003 14:10:37  
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Slowpoke:

Have you thought about using electrolysis? A plastic Wal-Mart storage container, some lye or washing soda, a piece of scrap steel, and a 12 volt battery charger will convert all of that red rust into inert black oxide probably in a day, two at most. You'll have it totally grease, oil, rust, and paint free, ready for some epoxy primer, and the filler will out live you.

I have a write up on my web site if you're interested. Look under "Restoration Tips".

Frank-in-Tallahassee
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CNKS

11-25-2003 18:12:06




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 Re: Deep rust pits in reply to Slowpoke, 11-25-2003 14:10:37  
If you have a decent air compressor, you can buy a spot blaster from TP Tools and elsewhere for about $60, if I remember right. I don't own a full size sandblaster, but the small one works well for small items such as front wheel rims, hard to brush places, etc, just takes a while.



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Rod (NH)

11-25-2003 16:53:32




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 Re: Deep rust pits in reply to Slowpoke, 11-25-2003 14:10:37  
Hi Slowpoke,

ANYTHING will work. It's just a question of how well and for how long :o). If sandblasting is not an option for you I would recommend a rust treatment such as "Extend" marketed under both Loctite and Permatex brands. The Permatex version is available at NAPA stores. I would not use the general phosphoric acid treatment in your case. I have had good success with the phosphoric treatment but only in light surface or flash rust situations. I think serious remaining, tightly adherent, rust is better treated with a product like "Extend". I am not sure why you desire a smooth surface on the inside. After all, it will not show when the tire is installed. If you do use bondo for cosmetic purposes, it should be done after any treatment of the remaining rust. If a product like extend is used the resulting surface should be scuffed with a coarse scotchbrite pad after curing and prior to the bondo. I wouldn't just put the bondo on over the present surface as you describe it without some kind of further prep.

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Slowpoke

11-25-2003 23:52:22




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 Re: Re: Deep rust pits in reply to Rod (NH), 11-25-2003 16:53:32  
Hello, all. I've been to the F-I-T site and was looking for something "instant". A set of cultivaters and the tractor minus one wheel is on the tralier in front of the house. The neighbors are, well, you know how they can be. I'm now stuck till Sunday, so the tank method looks ok.
I have a suction sand blaster, but it uses tons of sand, and I would have to work on the front lawn.
I like to do work that looks good, even where it can't be seen.
Thanks for the replies.

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