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sid-wis

12-14-2003 11:05:41




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I am a self employed auto body man(15years).
I use a conventional gun with a 1 hp 12 gallon compressor, painting whole cars, and am happy. What would hvlp do for me?




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tools

12-17-2003 08:42:40




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 Re: spray guns in reply to sid-wis, 12-14-2003 11:05:41  
The biggest advantage to HVLP is the savings in paint. Will cut in half the materials to do a project. At $200/gallon for some paints, it might not take long to make it worthwhile.

There are two ways to get HVLP technology, turbine powered systems, or compressor powered systems.

Turbine powered means you get a true HVLP paint gun, and a little specialized air compressor (called a turbine) that puts out between 5 and 10psi and between 80 to 130 CFM. The main advantage to this is that the air that is supplied to the gun is warm to hot. This helps in atomization and totally eliminates any water problems associated with conventional compressors. Also very portable (one hand carryable, will work on 115V 15A circuits on extension cords).

Compressor powered means the gun cuts the pressure from the 40 or so lbs CKNS mentioned to the required 5 or so lbs. A pretty healthy compressor is required, which means if your just barly making it, the thing is working hard and probably generating tons of water. All you buy is the gun, generally more expensive than a true HVLP gun, but not to where it covers the cost of the turbine, which is why they're probably more popular.

The tip size is generally matched to the viscosity of the paint rather than to change the pattern.

Another advantage is a HVLP's ability to spray some pretty unsprayable things, like household latex paint. I used a cheap Wagner rental (true HVLP with a turbine) to do that over 10 years ago, worked like a dream. With such heavy bodied paint, and operating with a turbine that was just barley big enough to get the job done, there was virtually NO overspray. Pretty cool.

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CNKS

12-17-2003 13:25:41




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 Re: Re: spray guns in reply to tools, 12-17-2003 08:42:40  
You are correct that the primary function of different tip sizes is to match the viscosity of the paint, but tip size DOES affect pattern size and the speed at which you move the gun. The guns are designed to work best at full pattern, which is why I have a couple of tips for the same viscosity paint. Compressor size is either the same as or greater than that required for conventional guns, depending on the air requirement of the gun itself. With a good filter system water is not a problem. My outlet is about 70 feet from the compressor and my $125 filter works fine. I also drain the tank daily and have a means of draining the lines also. Turbine HVLP is fine, I just don't need a dedicated system. If I spent most of my time painting, I would certainly consider one.

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Jeff

12-14-2003 17:38:26




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 Re: spray guns in reply to sid-wis, 12-14-2003 11:05:41  
I have used both conventional and hvlp paint guns on autos and large military aircraft. When we switched to hvlp, it did take some time to get the feel for them, but they don't put out near the overspray, and did well for lettering and insignia's.



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CNKS

12-14-2003 13:10:08




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 Re: spray guns in reply to sid-wis, 12-14-2003 11:05:41  
With 15 years experience, I dunno -- why don't you try it and see? I tend to recommend HVLP to those who haven't painted before -- easier for someone with no technique to learn, than for someone used to LVHP. Many people like yourself don't like it. For someone like myself who never used the old type guns very much, it seems much easier, and with no paint booth the cloud of paint fumes and dust is less dense, although definitely still there.

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Dan

12-14-2003 17:17:35




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 Re: Re: spray guns in reply to CNKS, 12-14-2003 13:10:08  
I have used the old sytle paint guns a few times, been soem years ago. have heard a lot about HPLV, can you tell me the advantages of it? Wanting to paint an old IH SMTA one day and wondering if I should get one. What would you look for in them? How do they work differently?
thanks for any help



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CNKS

12-14-2003 18:53:44




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 Re: Re: Re: spray guns in reply to Dan, 12-14-2003 17:17:35  
HPLV is my term for conventional guns. I assume you mean HVLP -- High volume, low pressure. As I said in the post above, I haven't used the old style guns very much, so I haven't make a direct comparison. HVLP came about because of environmental concerns -- they don't put out as much overspray, thus theoretically reduce pollution and protect the atmosphere, but the amount of overspray is still "considerable". I believe they are required in pro body shops. Most have a max inlet pressure stamped on them, usually 40 or 50 psi. This is reduced in the gun so that the pressure at the tip is reduced to about 10 psi, thus the low pressure. I believe that in conventional guns the inlet and outlet pressures are about the same, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Because of the lower pressure less paint is lost to the atmosphere, and more paint gets on the target, thus actually reducing the amount of paint required. The guns are generally held closer to the surface than conventional guns, about 6 inches, and are moved slower (I believe this is what people used to conventional guns don't like) You don't fan an HVLP. I personally have gotten fewer runs and sags with HVLP than with my limited experience with conventional guns. They are easy to adjust. If you want the widest pattern (the gun works better that way), you simply squeeze the trigger (gun empty) and adjust the fluid control until you feel it contacting the trigger and then turn in about 1/2 turn. Turn the pattern control in about 1/4 turn from full and you are set to go. Rather than fiddle with the adjustments for different pattern sizes, I prefer to vary the tip size, they usually range from 1.1 or so to about 1.6 for topcoats, or 1.5-1.8 for primers, and are interchangeable in the same gun. Specs are in mm. The lower the number, the finer the atomization, and the smaller the pattern size. I do not know how these specs and adjustments differ from conventional guns as I no longer use them. I use touch up guns for the small parts on my tractors rather than try to adjust the pattern on a full size gun. In opinion, if you are not used to conventional guns there is no reason to buy one, they have no advantage at all, except to those with experience who don't want to change their painting technique--no disrespect intended. To me they are simply easier to use, and are more forgiving than conventional guns.

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