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mike-ga

12-26-2003 11:09:51

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Where can I get a charcoal mask for painting? Is charcoal ok for limited iso exposure? Are all masks charcoal?

TIA

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Dave in Ohio

12-31-2003 09:06:29

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Re: masks in reply to mike-ga, 12-26-2003 11:09:51

I have two tractors primed and covered up waiting to be painted. I just today ordered the Hobby Air 1 supplied air system. Yes it did cost $400.00 with half mask and hood but ISO's will eat up your lungs. How many lungs can you buy for $400.00.
I ordered my unit from www.autobodystore.com.

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Rod (NH)

12-27-2003 10:16:07

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Re: masks in reply to mike-ga, 12-26-2003 11:09:51

Hi Mike,

Well, opinions are like ----- --, everybody has one :o). Here's mine:

Don't play fast and loose with your health regarding isos. I can tell you from personal experience that it's not worth it. You are unlikely to find any MSDS for iso materials that recommends anything less than supplied-air (no chemical cartridges). You are unlikely to find any recognized health-safety authority (such as NIOSH) approving any such cartridge type mask for use with isos. You are unlikely to find any manufacturer of any chemical cartridge that recommends use with isos. There is no exception made for an undefined "limited exposure". That should tell you something.

It's your health and your own decision. If you want to investigate further, here's one read on the subject. My recommendation is to stay away from all enamel hardeners and all urethanes or get the proper breathing equipment. That means supplied air - minimum of $400-$500. Your lungs will thank you.

Rod

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Farmall Paul

12-27-2003 07:51:32

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Re: masks in reply to mike-ga, 12-26-2003 11:09:51

I paint for a living and I wear a 3M particulit and char filter mask most of the day. I use my supplied air only when my exposure is more than 10 min(larger jobs). I;ve been spraying two stage paint for years with now without ill effect. You have to buy good equiptment and have the paint store properly fit you. Its also inportant to seal your mask in an air tight container or it will go bad and be uneffective. The rule is, if you can smell it, your breathing it. A good resperator will run about $40 and the filters are replaceable.

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CNKS

12-27-2003 14:07:37

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Re: Re: masks in reply to Farmall Paul, 12-27-2003 07:51:32

You are lucky and/or immune to iso's--I'm not. Charcoal will filter iso's but the mask must fit perfectly as you said. I've also read that iso's have no odor, perhaps they can leak in before you smell other paint components, I don't know; your filters have to be new or near new to be effective. It's gonna get you some day. (cough, cough). If I painted for 10 minutes with just a mask I would be dead -- 10 min is a long time in terms of iso exposure.

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Butch

12-26-2003 20:06:42

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Re: masks in reply to mike-ga, 12-26-2003 11:09:51

I agree with CK and Rusty although you can find other opinions if you search a while. The first time I used the two part paints I read where a person could get by with a good cartridge type mask on an ocassional basis but the way my throat felt after that first gunfull made a believer out of me, get an air supplied respirator system or stay away from two part paints period. My opinion.

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CNKS

12-26-2003 17:50:37

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Re: masks in reply to mike-ga, 12-26-2003 11:09:51

The answer to your first question is almost any farm store or auto supply store. They cost $25-$35, replacement cartridges about $13-$15 -- The cartridges don't last very long, keep them in sealed plastic bags when not in use. The answer to your second question is no -- isos will make me sick even if I'm only touching up something and producing very few fumes for a very short period of time. I think all cartridge masks are charcoal, but they have different specs -- get one for "organic vapors". For isos, you need a supplied air system--from experience, I will not agree with those who say exposure to iso's is ok for an occasional painter.

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Rusty Jones

12-26-2003 12:18:02

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Re: masks in reply to mike-ga, 12-26-2003 11:09:51

Masks: you must go to an auto paint supply store, or maybe a welding supply shop, to get a mask. They are usually around $40 & up!. (Haven't checked lately)Maybe even more now, with OSHA getting their noses into masks! If you aren't going to do much painting indoors, just some little stuff, they'll work for you, but if you're doing a big project, you'd better get an air supply mask! The former type isn't going to give much protection but it will help. Long term, and/ or heavy exposure to the bad stuff will eventually make you allergic to it, and you won't be able to be any where near where it is being used! You'll have an asthma-like attack, and you may even pass out or die before you can get yer lungs opened up again! Take it from one who has been down that road! I can't even stop for gas at the station across the street from the local auto body shop, if they are painting and their exhaust fan is running! (And, i painted cars for 40 years!) As to the ? are all masks charcoal--I'm not too well versed on that. Most are, but there may be some with other material in them. Best to ask at the supplier! RJ

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