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Joe

01-16-2004 11:55:42




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I want to try my hand at sandblasting so that I can then try my hand at painting. I see that a sandblaster is only about $100 at tractor supply. Thinking about picking one up. I understand the saftey issues and metal thickness issues. I plan to practice on my loader bucket first.

Question is: Where do I do it? Can I do it in the barn without making a huge mess? Can I build a big plywood box to catch the medium? Can the medium be reused? What is a good method?

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Butch

01-16-2004 21:49:32




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 Re: Sand Blasting in reply to Joe, 01-16-2004 11:55:42  
1. Problem with trying one of the small syphon blasters is they are like apples and oranges compared to the pressure vessle blaster you are looking at TSC and thus will give you no feel for how a fast and handy a real blaster is. I have two of the best made syphon guns in my blast cabinets and to do a tractor with one would try a saint. They also use about twice as much sand to do the same work. 2.The number of gallons your aircompressor tank holds has nothing to do with blasting time per hour, that is determained by the capacity of the pump. The larger tank will allow you to blast a bit longer before the pressure drops below usable but then you wait longer for it to get back up to pressure and belive me, even with a pretty good shop compressor pressure drop will be quick even when the nozzle is new, when it just a bit worn you will be waiting a bunch. My shop compressor is around 7 HP and rated around 12 CFM at 90 PSI and isn't nearly enough for continuous blasting with the pressure vessel. I now use a 125CFM engine powered Jeager that just idles with it. I'm guessing that 50CFM at 90PSI is required to continuous blast with the smallest nozzle sand will go through. To give you an example of what I am saying, I'll use a 10 CFM comprssor with a small tank. And lets say it allows you to blast 30 seconds out of 2 1/2 minutes for catch up. Double the size of that tank and you will blast for 1 minute out of 5. Make it 5 times as big and you will balst for five minutes out of 25, get the picture? To give you an idea what I am talking with the compresors and guns. If you had a medium sized tractor hood to blast, say a WD Allis. I have done that hood to bare metal with my current set up ($50 Harbor Freight 40 lb pressure vessel and big compressor) in about 20 minutes, less if the paint comes off easy. When I was using shop air that same job would take about 2 hours. To use one of the Sandy Jet guns out of my bead blast cabinets would take (guessing) all day. Your shop air compressor, no matter what it's capacity , will blast quicker and with less sand with the pressured vessle than with a syhon gun, period. As for sheet metal being ruined by blasting? Yes sir you can make a mess of it but most of those stories come from people who have used commercial blasting services. They use much larger sand grain size and at very high pressures. That does not mean we can't ruin it with our home owner pressure vessel units, just that it is harder to acomplish than some have been lead to believe. Use a sweeping motion at a 45 degree angle from the sheetmetal and don't stop to blast the dickens out of an area that has deep rust pits or paint globs to remove. Generaly I sweep blast, then grind the metal with a #36 disk to remove the paint globs and thick surface rust then blast again. You will not wrinkle sheet metal when done in this manner. Safety for sandblasting is something that does need to be addressed. Not because the stupid sand is poison, as some morons have shoved upon us, but because any dust inhaled in quanity is not good for you PLUS the coatings you are removing are likely very unhealthy for you (lead) when inhaled in dust form. For this reason I do all my blasting on days with a breeze (at my back), I always wear a resperator and as Stan discovered a full hood must be worn. I have never tried to save the sand because I am about 5 miles from the plant and it is dirt cheap. A tarp or large boxed in area should work and make sure you screen it before you dump it back in the hopper. Also dont plan on blasting on humid days unless you have an elaberate moisture removing system, the jar type traps dont cut the mustard.

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bob

01-19-2004 18:43:24




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 Re: Re: Sand Blasting in reply to Butch, 01-16-2004 21:49:32  
I just bought a pressure blaster (110 pound) from Harbor Freight. I paid $150 but then they ran it on sale for $129. Go to their web site and check it out. I loaded it with Black Beauty, available from the local rental stores at $8.00 per 100lb bag. I draped a cheap tarp in my shop and hooked it up to my 5 horse 150 gallon compressor. It worked like a champ. I bought a universal window screen from Lowes to seign and reuse the sand and everything went better than I expected. Clean your shop with a leaf blower and everything will be OK. Be sure to wear goggles, a hood and protective clothing that covers you ENTIRE body or you will regret it. As far as ruining old metal, forget it. The metal in these old tractors and impliments is so thick and sturdy that I doubt you could hurt it even if you tried real hard, paticularly with Black Beauty. It is a slag instead of a sand. I would be more worried about your air compressor. Give it a break once in a while and keep your pressure above 65psi while shooting. Hope this helps.

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Stan

01-19-2004 12:24:58




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 Re: Re: Sand Blasting in reply to Butch, 01-16-2004 21:49:32  
Sounds like I might be on the way out to buy a pressure vessel.

Learn something new all the tine here !



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Stan

01-16-2004 12:39:00




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 Re: Sand Blasting in reply to Joe, 01-16-2004 11:55:42  
Joe

I was where you are about a year ago. Here are some of the things I found out both here and from experience.

I have a 30 gallon compressor, it's no where near large enough to do any serious sandblasting. I have to stop and wait for the compressor to catch up quite often. Because the compressor has to run so much this also causes a lot of moisture build up in the lines which really slows down the sand making it much less effective.

As to "can you do it in the barn". I started in the barn with a cardboard wall on 3 sides it worked pertty good for stoping a lot of the mess but there was still a lot of sand all over the place.

Reusing product can be done by purchasing a screen or making your own. I have not had any trouble reusing media. I have heard you don't want to reuse it too many times because it takes the edge off it.

I am currently restoring an old pick up and am using a combination of sand paper, chemical stripper and blasting. I am using the stripper on the large flat areas to take off the top coat of paint and some of the base. Following with the sander to finish. For the curved surfaces a combination of blasting and sanding.

One very important thing to remember is to MAKE SURE ALL of your body parts are covered. You will have sand in places you never thought you could get sand into. I wore my glasses (a necessity) and a regular pair of goggles with a face mask and still got sand in my eyes. NOT a good place. Bought a hood with a window from EASTWOOD wore the glasses and the goggles and made sure I was not 90 degrees angeled from the gun and it worked good.

If you want save the hundred bucks get the gun with a siphon hose that just drops in your media bag. Than you can give blasting a try and see if its for you.

Sorry for the long post. JMT.

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Joe

01-16-2004 14:04:41




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 Re: Re: Sand Blasting in reply to Stan, 01-16-2004 12:39:00  
Stan,

This is some good info. Thanks.

- Joe



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Raymond Bagwell

01-16-2004 20:59:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Sand Blasting in reply to Joe, 01-16-2004 14:04:41  
I have a compressor that produces 15 cfm at 110 psi and it has to run all the time to sand blast. I use a skat blast and like it very much. In my opinion you need to use a media other than sand. Read Materials sells a meaterial called Black Beauty that works fine and has no hazzards like sand does. You need a hood, long sleves, gloves and ear plugs to keep the sand out of your body.



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