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Sanding Surface For Painting

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Ray A

02-12-2004 17:13:34




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I am preparing the sheet metal on my tractor for painting. What grade of sandpaper should I use prior to undercoat before final topcoats? Somewhere I read that I shouldn't use any thing finer than 180. Sure could use some advice. Thanks




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CNKS

02-13-2004 18:50:35




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 Re: Sanding Surface For Painting in reply to Ray A, 02-12-2004 17:13:34  
As Rod and Butch said, it depends on what you are sanding with. I still do mostly hand sanding. Some epoxy primers say not to use finer than 180 to assure adhesion. Other than that I use 400 to sand surfacer with, or maybe 320 followed by 400. As Butch says sometimes I can see sanding scratches through the paint.



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Ray A

02-13-2004 18:30:36




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 Re: Sanding Surface For Painting in reply to Ray A, 02-12-2004 17:13:34  
Thanks for the information. I knew if I would ask someone would have the answers for me. I really appreciate you taking time to answer my question. Now on to preparing the sheet metal for painting. Thanks again



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Rod (NH)

02-13-2004 13:09:31




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 Re: Sanding Surface For Painting in reply to Ray A, 02-12-2004 17:13:34  
Hi Ray,

Butch is entirely correct about what it is propelling your sandpaper. I use three different grits (80,220and400) for the most part. I have some 320 but rarely use it. I like the 3M hook and loop discs used on an electric random orbital (RO) sander. This is similar to Butch's DA (dual action) pneumatic sander. You can actually use a coarser grit with that type of motion that you can with just a circular disc sander. I know 180 or thereabouts is recommended prior to initial priming but I usually use 80 for that purpose prior to epoxy on sheet metal, if it needs sanding at all, unless it is sandblasted. I prime with the epoxy after the 80 grit knowing that it will be followed up with surfacer. Then two or three coats of surfacer. Then machine sand with 220. Then a final coat of surfacer hand sanded (dry) with 400 immediately prior to topcoat. That's the routine that has worked OK for me, despite the fact it is coarser than sometimes recommended.

The other scenario is if you are using sandpaper to actually strip existing paint or to remove rust. For that I would use 24 or 36 grit "paint buster" discs on a circular sander, followed up by 80 or finer on an RO or DA prior to priming.

The most important aspect is the final sand prior to topcoat. NO evidence of sandscratches should be present at that point. The smallest imperfection will show up after the topcoat is applied. A final sand of surfacer with 400-600 is typical for most topcoats that I am aware of.

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Butch

02-13-2004 05:20:07




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 Re: Sanding Surface For Painting in reply to Ray A, 02-12-2004 17:13:34  
Hopefully others will jump in here but my experience is that the grade of sandpaper varies with what is propelling it and what you are coating it with. With my DA I get as good a finnish with 150 as I can get with 400 by hand, meaning sanding scratches that show up after painting. For a first primer coat I go with 150 in the DA, 320-400 for hand dry sanding or inline machine. For final prep for top coat, usualy sanding a surfacer, it's 320 in the DA or if I'm doing it wet by hand #500 dry by hand #600. The finish paint I now use is thin bodied and sratches show up more easily than when I used the high end acrylic enamels. The old PPG Delstar would cover and fill a lot more, if you are top coating with the cheap implement enamels they fill better too since they have to be much thicker to cover. 180 grit in a DA would probably be OK for the first primer coat with most materials.

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