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WHAT PRIMER, PAIND, HARDNER DO I USE

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PAT

02-18-2004 12:23:34




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I'M GETTING READY TO PAINT MY 35 ALLIS WC. I WANT THAT FACTORY LOOK. I HAVE HEARD THAT PPG BRAND WITH HARDNER IS THE WAY TO GO. IS THERE A CERTAIN TYPE OF PPG PAINT I SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE DIFFERENT MIXTURES AVAILABE AS I AM NEW TO THIS. WHAT ABOUT THE HARDNER? DO I USE PPG BRAND ALSO AND ARE THERE DIFFERENT TYPES FOR DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS? I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT PRIMERS AND WHAT TO USE. MY TRACTOR HAS SOME BRAND NEW SHEET METAL AND WILL ALSO HAVE SOME SANDBLASTED METAL. DO I USE A SELF ETCHING PRIMER OR WHAT? WHAT BRAND WILL WORK WITH PPG PAINT? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY MATERIALS IN LINE AND WOULD LIKE SOME INFO FROM EXPERIENCED PAINTERS. THANK YOU. PAT.

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jacob guttmann

10-20-2006 07:14:36




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 Re: WHAT PRIMER, PAIND, HARDNER DO I USE in reply to PAT, 02-18-2004 12:23:34  
I want to repaint my Allis WD, what kind of paint do I use, Allis orange, or Persian Orange, to get the most original look?



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Butch

02-18-2004 19:38:53




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 Re: WHAT PRIMER, PAIND, HARDNER DO I USE in reply to PAT, 02-18-2004 12:23:34  
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CKNS covered it well. The number for #1 Persian orange which is correct for your tractor is 60080. If you can still get it (and afford it) Delstar is the way to go. Most like you wount be able to purchase it and you wil need to with OMNI or base coat clear coat. Dont be fooled by the "economy" name as applied to the OMNI line, it's darned good stuff. I use uretahne which carries a MTK prefix, enamal is MAE so if you want urethane you would ask for MTK60080. The dealer will provide a mix sheet and proper compants for the temp you expect to paint. For normal booth temps of 70 and medium humidity they will most likely give you fast hardener and medium reducer. If it works here is a pic of a 49WD that I just finished yesterday, if it doesnt work it's in the tractor photos on this site. Was dark in the shop but I think it will give you an idea of the results you get with the OMNI paint. If you want I will try to get a daylight pic and post it.

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bill1946

03-23-2004 07:42:19




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 Re: Re: WHAT PRIMER, PAIND, HARDNER DO I USE in reply to Butch, 02-18-2004 19:38:53  
butch what a great job you did on thatwdtractor i ve never seen a better jobthan that could you sent me the exact deatils in what you did.thank you bill



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Rod (NH)

02-18-2004 20:34:41




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 Re: Re: WHAT PRIMER, PAIND, HARDNER DO I USE in reply to Butch, 02-18-2004 19:38:53  
Butch,

Looks great! I hope you don't object but I took the liberty to do a gamma correction and a little lightening of your photo. Makes that persian orange look more like real #1 rather than #2:
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Butch

02-19-2004 04:36:28




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 Re: Re: Re: WHAT PRIMER, PAIND, HARDNER DO I USE in reply to Rod (NH), 02-18-2004 20:34:41  
Thanks Rod, besides being dark the floresent lights in the shop play havoc with the colors, not the best way or place to show off a new restoration.



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CNKS

02-18-2004 18:18:50




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 Re: WHAT PRIMER, PAIND, HARDNER DO I USE in reply to PAT, 02-18-2004 12:23:34  
I will list some brief thoughts, all of this is in the archives (several times), and Rod and Butch, and others can expand on it. Don't mix brands of primer, paint, hardener etc, and do exactly what the P-sheets say, these are available from your dealer, or on the internet, PPG gives no instructions on their cans. The P-sheets will also list the recommended tip size for your gun. Use PPG Omni MP 170 epoxy primer on the cast and small parts that don't have to be absolutely smooth, followed by MTK acrylic urethane as a topcoat. 170 is a nonsanding primer. Do the same thing on the sheet metal, except use hardened MP 182 surfacer after the epoxy, sanded between applications -- actually two or three applications, 15 minutes or so between them, then dry and sand, and repeat until smooth. Then topcoat. You can use hardened Omni acrylic enamel as an alternative, you might read the posts below about the differences between enamel and urethane. Nothing magic about PPG, DuPont, Sherwin Williams, and Martin Senour have quality paints also, I have only used PPG. PPG has better paint than Omni, but be prepared to take out a loan. I have never used self-etching primer, I do use a product called Picklex 20, (comes in squirt bottles) on bare metal, it etches the surface and prevents rust. Bare metal is supposed to be sanded with no finer than 180 grit sandpaper prior to the 170; the Picklex 20 goes on after sanding, and is scuffed with Scotchbright pads if it sits for more than a day or so. The Picklex 20 is not necessary if you have removed ALL rust and are able to paint immediately after sanding, something I'm never able to do. Again, read the archives.

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