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Okay, I bought paint, gun, etc........?

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D. Mac

05-14-2004 21:09:03




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Here is the total bill:

Black MTK9300 $20.14 QT
Fast Top Coat Hardener MH167 $12.21 QT
Fast Reducer MR185 $18.85 Gal
Epoxy Primer MP170 $14.56 QT
Epoxy Primer Hardener/Catalyst MP175 $4.87 QT

Total = $74.67

Supplies:
Quicklatch Respirator $39.98
Spray Gun Cleaner Kit $2.47
Mini Regulator $19.94
In line filter (water) $9.96
Gravity feed Spray Gun (1.4 mm) $59.94

Total = $133.00

I asked the gentleman about DX330, and he said he'd just use Laquer Thinner, or preferred, the reducer (gallon) I bought. He said the reducer would work fine for cleaning the metal prior to painting. He did say, that after I clean the metal with the reducer, I'll want to paint or epoxy as soon as possible in order to avoid rusting of the metal....being that it is vunerable at this stage to rust or surface rust? Actually, he said after sandblasting metal can become vunerable to surface rust too?

Question: I forgot to get the spec sheet for the paint, reducers, hardeners, etc...all products are OMNI. Anyone know where I can get the specs? or will it be listed on the back of the cans?

Thanks.

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CNKS

05-16-2004 13:36:52




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 Re: Okay, I bought paint, gun, etc........? in reply to D. Mac, 05-14-2004 21:09:03  
The PPG P-Sheets can be found at Link Any bare metal will rust, begins immediately, is less of a problem if it is indoors. I prefer to use DX330 or DX440 for cleaning, perhaps you don't need to. Another reducer, MS100, is what I clean my guns with, costs about half what 186 does, but should not be mixed with paint you are going to spray. Your mask will not protect you against isocyanates.

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Rod (NH)

05-16-2004 19:30:42




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 Re: Re: Okay, I bought paint, gun, etc........? in reply to CNKS, 05-16-2004 13:36:52  
CN,

You are correct in preferring the 330 (or 440). A lacquer thinner or an enamel reducer, especially a fast one, is not a comparable product IMO. Here's why. Just because some people use gasoline for surface cleaning prior to painting and apparently get away with it doesn't mean it should be done. You won't find anyone in a professional shop using it for that. At least one that wants to stay in business. It is not the proper product for the job at hand. And neither is lacquer thinner or enamel reducer.

That said however, DuPont's 3812S alkyd enamel reducer was used years ago as a final wipe just before topcoating. For light duty stuff such as finger prints. It was a fairly fast reducer used with the famous Dulux alkyd enamel. For more serious cleaning, the more aggressive 3919S "Prep-Sol" was used. I don't know what DuPont is claiming for those purposes nowadays. The DX330 has been around for a long time...since the '70's at least. Back then it was the only PPG cleaning product as I remember. I see now where there are several different products in the PPG "cleaner" lineup, the 440 included. I have found the 330 to be pretty much a general purpose cleaner. If time was money for you and you wanted a fast final wipe it might be too slow. A few minutes extra dry time is not a problem for me (I'm in no hurry) so I don't bother with another, faster product. A gallon of 330 lasts me a very long time.

I've never tried the squirt bottle approach you mention in a prior post. Sounds like a good idea. I take it you mean a mist spray like you would get from a Windex bottle and not a stream?

The iso caution appears to be falling on deaf ears. A personal decision to be sure. I just hope the tendency of some to ignore the written safety recommendations with using modern paints doesn't somehow end up with jobbers enforcing the current labelling "This Material Is Designed For Application Only By Professional, Trained Personnel Using Proper Equipment Under Controlled Conditions And Is Not Intended For Sale To The General Public". Big government's tendency to "protect us from ourselves" could cause such a thing to happen...iso-containing materials sold only to registered autobody shops with an approved safety plan :o(.

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CNKS

05-17-2004 07:41:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Okay, I bought paint, gun, etc........ in reply to Rod (NH), 05-16-2004 19:30:42  
I don't use laquer thinner for much of anything, and I only use reducer to mix with paint except for the MS 100 that I clean my guns with, because it's cheaper. I think most people that go to the "normal" paint store, the one Mac went to included, get bad advice. I certainly don't use my paint salesman as an advisor, there are exceptions, but my experience is that most of them don't know very much, seems to be high turnover where I live. Most of the DX330 (or occasionally DX440) I use is for cleaning oily residues that my anemic pressure washer won't remove. I also use it as a final wipe before painting, in which case I try not to let it dry on the surface, but dry it with a clean cloth followed by a tack rag -- I think that is the correct procedure. The "newer" cleaners that PPG has, my supplier doesn't carry. The squirt bottle I use produces a mist, this is mainly for cleaning, since I soak things pretty good sometimes. Prior to painting I use a cloth, since the surface is clean by then anyway, this is only for the finger prints, etc that you mentioned. DX 330 is not good to breathe, either, and the mist doesn't help, so I use a mask. I guess we have to accept that people will use iso's at their own risk -- does seem to fall on deaf ears. It's going to get them someday, though. I certainly hope the govt regulation you refer to does not occur.

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