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Scott TN

05-19-2004 13:49:51




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Is there a method to the finish coat of the clear coat to have shine without buffing? I understand that base coat/clear coat has a dull look to the finish until buffing. I used to apply a finish coat with the old laquers of 1 part paint to 9 parts slow drying thinner and it would flow any overspray and leave a mild shine. Do you use a hardner with base coat/clear coat?




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Rod (NH)

05-19-2004 16:55:34




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 Re: Base coat/clear coat in reply to Scott TN, 05-19-2004 13:49:51  
Hi Scott,

BC/CC is a two step (stage) painting "system" that requires a "basecoat" be applied for the color for the first step and a "clearcoat" be applied afterwards in the second step to provide the gloss. It therefore differs from a single stage painting "system" where both the color and gloss are accomplished at the same time in one step. The "basecoat" is applied in as many coats as is necessary to achieve uniform coverage. It has a flat appearance with no gloss. The separate "clearcoat" is then applied in as many coats as desired to provide the gloss. When I use a clearcoat on top of a single stage paint to protect/enhance decals, I use three coats.

The clearcoat should not require any buffing for an acceptable gloss any more than a single stage paint requires it. If the clearcoat lays down nice and flat without orange peel and without runs, there is no need for any buffing. It can be done as a refinement for glamour "show" projects but is not necessary for most work. It is more generally done to correct application errors after the fact. It is my opinion that if you use the proper materials and follow the proper instructions with a reasonably experienced "hand", you don't need to do it at all. In fact, for most tractor work it is not practical anyway due to the configuration of the parts being painted. The hood and fenders could be a notable exception, depending on shape.

As far as I know, all clears are urethanes that require a hardener and therefore one has to contend with isocyanates when using them. At least the ones I have used require them. I have no personal experience with basecoats themselves. I understand they generally do not require hardeners, although some may use special catalyzed reducers, similar to a separate hardener.

If anyone has BC/CC specific experience, please provide any further information or correction to the above.

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Rusty Jones

05-19-2004 17:51:37




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 Re: Re: Base coat/clear coat in reply to Rod (NH), 05-19-2004 16:55:34  
Let me give you a word of warning: If you have an asthma condition, DO NOT USE PAINT THAT REQUIRES HARDENER! Oh, it may not affect you by using it once or twice, but it can ! Be sure to wear a good paint mask, not one of those little paper things! The paint mask won't keep the really bad stuff out of your lungs, but it will help some! The isocyanates have a way of sneaking past the filters in the mask, although the filters will keep out the paint fumes and dust. And, the iso's affect yer eyes, too, if you do lots of painting! I refinished cars for nigh onto 40 years, using all types of paint systems. None of it bothered me, but the ISOS did. Now, i can't be anywhere near an auto paint shop when they are painting! I get an asthma attack BIG TIME!! So, be careful, and you can do a good job--just protect yer body and breathing system! Rusty Jones

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Scott TN

05-25-2004 09:49:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Base coat/clear coat in reply to Rusty Jones, 05-19-2004 17:51:37  
Thanks Rod and Rusty Jones for your input, It makes me feel better about painting the BC/CC paint. I had the old laquers handled in the 70's but haven't done much since then only enamel a few times. I'm going to practice on a horse trailer then the Massey Harris. Thanks again!



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