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Paint over Rustoleum Primer

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Curtis

08-02-2004 06:24:18

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Have I limited my options with regard to paint because I have been useing Rustoleum primer(spray can)to limit rust on tractor parts (tin and cast)as I get them cleaned and gathered? I have very limited experience with paint and would appreciate what my best options are considering I am a rookie painter.
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Jim Ulmer

08-02-2004 20:57:28

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to Curtis , 08-02-2004 06:24:18

Spray can primer will do very little to prevent rust

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sammy the RED

08-03-2004 07:09:31

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to Jim Ulmer, 08-02-2004 20:57:28

Any plain primer, from a spray bomb or otherwise, will do very little to prevent rust.

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Rod (NH)

08-03-2004 11:21:12

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to sammy the RED, 08-03-2004 07:09:31

Except for a 2K epoxy :o). I have used PPG's DP expoy primer by itself (no topcoat) on a car cowling for 10 years, constantly outside in the weather, with absolutely no evidence of rust showing through. It doesn't get much better than that for any primer.

Rod

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CNKS

08-03-2004 11:10:56

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to sammy the RED, 08-03-2004 07:09:31

Epoxy primer will prevent rust -- maybe not forever, but is much better than spray cans.

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sammy the RED

08-02-2004 19:16:04

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to Curtis , 08-02-2004 06:24:18

What brand and type of paint are you wanting to use ?

Some paints go on the Rustoleum with no problem.

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CNKS

08-02-2004 18:05:13

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to Curtis , 08-02-2004 06:24:18

This has been discussed many times, with a couple of answers -- You can page down and probably find your answer. Your choices are to use an epoxy primer, which must be scuffed and reapplied before topcoating, or use a rust preventative such as Picklex 20 (do a search). I prefer the latter, but using epoxy is ok also, if Rod or Butch respond that's what they will say--I just do what is easiest for me. I don't like being blunt, but spray can primer is junk.

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Curtis

08-04-2004 15:35:29

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to CNKS, 08-02-2004 18:05:13

CNKS, I talked to the PickleX inventor. Turns out he grew up near here and is an Aggie like myself. He said that for protecting cleaned metal parts until I gather enough parts for a "spray day" PickleX would do the trick. He also said primer was not necessary if treated correctly but advised to test first. Thanks CNKS and everyone else for the help and advice.

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CNKS

08-11-2004 18:06:52

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to Curtis , 08-04-2004 15:35:29

I missed your response, as I have responded to too many of these things lately. I pay no attention to any statement saying primer is not needed -- I ALWAYS use epoxy primer. Do a test area first? -- how long do you let it set, 30 min, 6 months? Just use epoxy.

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curtisv@seeddynamics.com

08-03-2004 06:31:03

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to CNKS, 08-02-2004 18:05:13

Is there an easy to use paint (epoxy?)that will bond well to the Rustoleum product? I would like to think there is an alternative to stripping my parts again. The Rustoleum I am useing is for rusted metal. I am putting it on clean non-rusted metal. I have used this product sucessfully in the past for fresh weld and metal protection. Is there a product out there that will suit my purpose? Thanks

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CNKS

08-03-2004 11:18:29

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to curtisv@seeddynamics.com, 08-03-2004 06:31:03

The Rustoleum should come off very easily with paint stripper, or a wire brush on a drill, etc. I would use stripper at least on the sheet metal. Perhaps, and this I am NOT sure of, you could just put epoxy over the existing primer. Or just topcoat it and forget about it, it will probably be ok. I just don't like spray cans for much of anything, so perhaps I am unfairly biased. There is just too much work involved in preparing parts to risk using cheap paint.

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Rod (NH)

08-03-2004 11:13:43

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to curtisv@seeddynamics.com, 08-03-2004 06:31:03

Hi Curtis,

Rustoleum specifically recommends against using their rusty metal primer on non-rusted metal. Sooo, you are in questionable territory putting anything on top of it. IMO the two part epoxy is the best for bare metal but absent that, you should use whatever primer is recommended by the manufacturer of the topcoat you plan on using.

Rod

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CNKS

08-03-2004 18:00:52

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to Rod (NH), 08-03-2004 11:13:43

Rod, it appears that you replied while I was typing my post (I spend most of my typing time correcting my mistakes). Otherwise I would not have responded -- because your answer is better than mine. I don't pay much attention to paint designed to go over rust, and had forgotten that the rusty metal stuff has to have rust to work "properly".

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Curtis

08-04-2004 06:24:59

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to CNKS, 08-03-2004 18:00:52

Thanks for the advice. While I have a bunch of parts primed with the Rustoleum most are small. I guess I'll strip and repaint with Epoxy primer? When you guys have one or two small parts that are freshly exposed, how do you protect them from rusting until you paint? I would like to gather more than a few parts together before I paint. Is that resonable?

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CNKS

08-04-2004 18:26:53

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Re: Paint over Rustoleum Primer in reply to Curtis , 08-04-2004 06:24:59

In western Kansas, a dry climate, I doubt if I could find visible rust a month or more after cleaning, as long as the parts are kept inside. To go further, I have purchased several NOS parts, unpainted, meaning they were years old, that had no appreciable rust. I like Picklex--brush it on it will kill the invisible rust that is probably always present, and you don't have to prepare and clean a paint gun. Just keep your parts DRY. One drop of water and you have rust.

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