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Randy

01-17-2002 23:13:47




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Folks: What causes the paint to peel off the hoods,roofs, and trunk lids of vehicles built within the last 10 or 15 years, leaving gray primer that's as smooth as glass, so no paint can stick to it? Never saw this until the late 80's or so. Thanks.




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steve

01-18-2002 20:10:23




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 Re: Peeling Paint in reply to Randy, 01-17-2002 23:13:47  
tom is right. they all tried to change to an environmental friendly paint that would not have the "toxic stuff" in it. Mostly this happens on grey, black, and dark blue paints, but have seen a few others.



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steve

01-18-2002 20:09:06




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 Re: Peeling Paint in reply to Randy, 01-17-2002 23:13:47  
tom is right. they all tried to change to an environmental friendly paint that would not have the "toxic stuff" in it. Mostly this happens on grey, black, and dark blue paints, but have seen a few others.



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mark

01-18-2002 18:16:00




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 Re: Peeling Paint in reply to Randy, 01-17-2002 23:13:47  
The condition is due to improper cure times. An overcure of the substrate will not allow adhesion of the top coat, thereby causing the pealing condition. Time ran out on your 1990 Ford truck years ago, as far as being able to receive any warranty refinishing due to the peal.



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mark

01-18-2002 18:14:42




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 Re: Peeling Paint in reply to Randy, 01-17-2002 23:13:47  
The condition is due to improper cure times. An overcure of the substrate will not allow adhesion of the top coat, thereby causing the pealing condition. Time ran out on your 1990 Ford truck years ago, as far as being able to receive any warranty refinishing due to the peal.



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hay

01-18-2002 09:22:22




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 Re: Peeling Paint in reply to Randy, 01-17-2002 23:13:47  
in 1985 i bought a new chevy chevette and by 1988 the paint was chipping and peeling in several areas. i tried to get some satisfaction from the dealer and got absolutey nowhere. so in 1990 i repainted the car myself in the garage and when i got rid of it in 1995 the paint was as solid as when i put it on. i think GM just used sorry paint or incorrect preparation. preparation is 90% of the job.

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Rory

01-18-2002 12:35:32




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 Re: Re: Peeling Paint in reply to hay, 01-18-2002 09:22:22  
My 89 Chevy Blazer had the same problem (de-lamination) mine wasn't showing signs but the dealer called me in and they tested it with masking tape. They applied a strip of masking tape to the hood and after 10 minutes removed it. When the tape was removed it took a strip of paint with it. They stripped it to the metal and repainted the entire truck. I was told that it was due to defective primer.

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Tom-Pa

01-18-2002 02:31:13




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 Re: Peeling Paint in reply to Randy, 01-17-2002 23:13:47  
My Ford p/u hood is peeling. This cause Ford a lot of problems. They were changing to a evironmentally correct paint/primer system and problems with the formulation. They eventually got it straightened out and they repainted a lot of vehicles. Another cause could be incorrect preparation. good luck
Tom-Pa



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Randy

01-18-2002 02:56:32




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 Re: Re: Peeling Paint in reply to Tom-Pa, 01-18-2002 02:31:13  
Yes, the hood on my Bronco is peeling, but it's a 1990,it took 12 years to happen. My sister's and brother in law's 93 Chevy Astro van peeled off in huge sheets, leaving it almost paintless after 2 or 3 years, and he only got some action from G.M. after a year and a half of pounding his fist on desks (NOBODY pushes him around). It's holding up good now. I don't think I have a chance with Ford after 12 years, but maybe I should try a little pounding the table myself! I've seen it happen to Chrysler products too.

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Eric

01-20-2002 23:10:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Peeling Paint in reply to Randy, 01-18-2002 02:56:32  
Everyone that replied is partially right. All the car companies were experimenting with different systems when the Gov tightened up the environmental regulations in the late 80's. Much of it had to do with changing application methods and curing schedules for the new primers they were using. Some of it had to do with epoxy primers and the fact that UV rays got through the top coat and when epoxy is exposed to UV it chalks. Chalking primer beneath the top coat simply let go and the paint came off. I think Ford had the worst of it. I can't remember seeing a Taurus station waggon that wasn't peeling. It's impossible for a car company to forsee something like that when they are not given enough time to thoroughly test. It's the governments fault for trying to force the speed of technological advancements. Glad I wasn't selling to Ford I just make tractor paint. They hate me on this site. Some guy last weekend called me "the slippery salesman" :-)

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Eric

01-20-2002 23:06:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Peeling Paint in reply to Randy, 01-18-2002 02:56:32  
Everyone that replied is partially right. All the car companies were experimenting with different systems when the Gov tightened up the environmental regulations in the late 80's. Much of it had to do with changing application methods and curing schedules for the new primers they were using. Some of it had to do with epoxy primers and the fact that UV rays got through the top coat and when epoxy is exposed to UV it chalks. Chalking primer beneath the top coat simply let go and the paint came off. I think Ford had the worst of it. I can't remember seeing a Taurus station waggon that wasn't peeling. It's impossible for a car company to forsee something like that when they are not given enough time to thoroughly test. It's the governments fault for trying to force the speed of technological advancements. Glad I wasn't selling to Ford I just make tractor paint. They hate me on this site. Some guy last weekend called me "the slippery salesman" :-)

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