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bill b va

08-26-2004 08:13:53




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any reasons not to use masonary sand to sand blast ? i tried a little and it seems to work fine.




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Joe Evans

08-27-2004 05:30:07




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 Re: sand blasting in reply to bill b va, 08-26-2004 08:13:53  
We use play sand all the time for blasting. It's pretty consistent on grain size and works just fine. My brother gets a deal from the local TSC where he gets their broken bags of play sand for no charge.



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Adam Paul

08-26-2004 13:40:26




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 Re: sand blasting in reply to bill b va, 08-26-2004 08:13:53  
It depends on what you"re calling masonary sand.
Play sand, often used in the masonary trade, is way to course to not clog the equipment... Although, a good sand supplier will have extra fine sand on hand. A lot finer that play sand...
That would be OK.
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Dozerboss

08-27-2004 00:33:24




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 Re: sand blasting in reply to Adam Paul, 08-26-2004 13:40:26  
Mason sand:
You can save some money using mason sand. It can be screened to remove the larger grains. Window screen will work. Build a simple frame of 2x2 or 2x4 to fit over a wheel barrow and use roofing nails (Big head) to hold your screen to the frame. Start shoveling and dump off the grains that won't pass thru. This method will keep clogging to a minimum, about the same as the fine sand.

If you want to buy one tiptools.com sells one that fits in the top of their blasters. Any type sand can be used that will pass through the tip except salt water beach sand. You don't want the salt on your bare metal. Some will cut better than others. The mason sand varies in size depending on where you live. I blast over plywood so i can sweep it back up and use it again. If you buy a truck load you can spread thin layers on plywood to let the sun dry it out.

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bill b va

08-27-2004 05:25:40




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 Re: sand blasting in reply to Dozerboss, 08-27-2004 00:33:24  

thanks..i knew to screen it . very clean sand, almost no grains too big for the screen .i was mostly conscered about the safety . ( silica )? if sand is so bad for you i wonder how the people in the deserts survive the sand storms.



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Dozerboss

08-28-2004 01:02:08




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 Re: sand blasting in reply to bill b va, 08-27-2004 05:25:40  
Bill,
The others are right. The dust is bad for you. I use an air supplied helmet today. Before I had that I used the cartridge type mask with foam prefilters rated for blasting and a leather blasting hood tucked into my coveralls. I would set up my projects with the wind to my back and had a 4 foot fan on wheels to help pull away the dust. I was adequately protected at the time for the type of blasting conditions I was doing and knew the risks and how to use a mask. Having grown up on dirt roads, I'm familiar with the feeling you get when dust irritates your nose. There would always be some that would rise up inside the car. I never had any irritation with a cartridge mask or noticed any dust inside the hood. I feel the same system would be safe today for me, if the same mask is available. I don't know if they have stopped making the cartridge type for sandblasting or relabeled them due to lawsuits.

I switched to fresh air for comfort, but got safety as a bonus. I have a hobby blaster that holds about 40 lbs. of sand and puts out a small cloud of dust. Less than you would see on a windy day on a freshly plowed field.

I don't want to make light of safety with the dust issue. But i do want to point out that there are big differances in exposure between hobby blasters and commercial pots with many times more output. The lawsuits for illnesses were brought against commercial blastering companies. The standards for protection were changed after these lawsuits. Some of the commercial blasters are large enough for 2 and 4 men to blast at once. When you do this everyday for a living you have a heavy level of exposure that a mask may not protect against. Masks also need to be used properly and fit properly. The worst case would be blasting the inside of a tank or cargo hold where you are in an enclosed space. I don't know if the workers involved had protection or sued because they weren't provided with protection and became ill. Many times these are class action and workers who never had a symptom get paid because they were there and may have been exposed. The trickle down effect is that you may not be able to buy a mask that is rated for blasting because companies feel selling the mask isn't worth the risk of a lawsuit. It may well be that the masks you have looked at are the same masks that were rated for blasting but are now not marketed for that purpose. That is the point I'm making. The dust is a known safety hazard and you should use the best protection you can. Fresh air masks for commercial blasting requirements is one of the good things OSHA has done. Some of the other requirements they have are for things only a bonehead would do. We probably could not launch the Apollo 11 spacecraft today and go to the moon without equiping everyone watching with ear protection, a hardhat, safety goggles and a respirator because of the power of the largest rocket booster ever made. Someone may get a headache from exposure to all that power and noise. LOL :) OT: I'm a dinosaur who wishes we could get things done in america like we used to.

If you can get the product Rod recommended, that would be safer. If you use an air supplied respirator, that would be the best. Cartridge masks may be adequate and all you need, but can leak if not adjusted and fitted properly. So there's a bonehead factor with them if you can't tell sand is leaking around your mask and up your nose. They're not as failsafe as fresh air. If you use your own ingenuity on this project be as safe as you can.

I buy my sand for $40 a truckload. I forget how many yards that is, but it's a tandem axle dump. So I figure my cost is less than a penny a pound delivered. I also have the space to be able to do that and the safety equipment. I don't play in it anymore, but the kids do.

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Adam Paul

08-27-2004 06:16:28




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 Re: sand blasting in reply to bill b va, 08-27-2004 05:25:40  
Bill, you"re absolutely correct!!! Safety is a BIG concern!!! Silicosis is a bad lung condition as a result of breathing silica... Sand by it self is usually OK. But when sand is "blasted" the sand "splits". Imagine each grain snapping and breaking... The dust from this split is called free silica. It is this that is most hazardous... Always use a respirator.
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Adam

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bill b va

08-27-2004 08:35:00




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 Re: sand blasting in reply to Adam Paul, 08-27-2004 06:16:28  

all the cartridge resperators i have looked at say not for sand blasting .



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Rod (NH)

08-27-2004 09:17:54




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 Re: sand blasting in reply to bill b va, 08-27-2004 08:35:00  
Hi Bill,

As with isocyanates, the best respiratory protection is a continuous flow, supplied air respirator. Even with a cartridge type, I think the main concern is with small particulates and not vapors. Therefore, the prefilters and face fit of the respirator may be more important than the cartridge itself. Here's a good read on the subject, along with some background and recommendations. Most of the industrial blasters that I have seen in the past 20 years do not use sand at all but rather a slag product that has a very low free silica content (<1%) to minimize potential exposure. That is consistent with NIOSH (National Institute of Occupational Health and Safety) recommendations to use an alternate material to silica sand. Black Beauty blast grit is one such alternative that I use. It costs about $8 per 50# bag and should be available at most auto supply stores that also provide painting supplies to local autobody shops.

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