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Getting a glass like finish on sheetmetal

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jonesy

08-30-2004 19:22:15




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getting down to the sheetmetal on a SM farmall. Ive got a couple Questions. After sanddblasting do I spray the guide coat on the bare metal or after the primer to find the low spots? Ill wet sand it all out with 800 - 1500. Im using Nason Urethane 2K paint with an HVLP gun. What is the trade secrets to getting the paint to lay down and give that "glass like" finish with this single stage type paint?

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Butch(OH)

08-31-2004 18:09:59




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 Re: Getting a glass like finish on sheetmetal in reply to jonesy, 08-30-2004 19:22:15  
If you are using an Epoxy primer it goes on first. Then lay some surfacer down and sand. The secrete to a glass finish is not in using ultra fine sandpaper to knock down the surfacers. As a matter of fact too fine sandpaper can or will lead to the seperation of coats, aka peeling. Exactly which grade of paper to use depends on what you are propelling it with. 400 paper used in a DA will leave no sanding scratches in a properly applied urethane topcoat however hand, inline or rotary sanding requires finer grade, probably aroung 500. The data sheets for your product will tell you these things and are required reading. Getting the paint to lay down is a factor of 1, gun adjustments, 2 speed of the componants, 3 ratio of componants, of course assuming proper gun technique. The paint manufactures are real good about getting the componants and ratios right if you give them the proper information, booth temp and humidity. A fast, or hot as the trade calls it, mixture will be easier to apply but also have more orange peal. A slow. or cold mixture will lay down nice but be real easy to get runs and sags. With my HVLP I use the recomended ratio for coat 1 and 2 but if a 3rd is required a better finish is obtained by increasing the reducer just a tad, maybe 5%. The exact perfect mixture can change during the course of a paint job due to temp changes and as the film builds thus it is not possible to give you a perfect one for all occasions. A more than satisfactory job can be obtained by simply having the recomended tip in your HVLP and mixing per the data sheet, my suggestions are strickly fine tuning.

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Dozerboss

08-31-2004 21:53:37




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 Re: Getting a glass like finish on sheetmetal in reply to Butch(OH), 08-31-2004 18:09:59  
As Butch said your sand paper is too fine for sanding primers. 1500 is approaching color sanding grit. Not much to add except for guide coats and blasted metal. Guide coats go over primers. They are usually used after body work. Or as a final check after primer coats are sanded. This technique is usually used on show cars or show car quaility paint jobs that will be color sanded and buffed to remove all orange peel. I Don't think many body shops or painters not working on show cars use it except to check body work for low spots. The guide coat is sanded off to find low spots. Any guide coat left after sanding reveals the low spots and the need for filler, spot putty or surfacer. 800 is probably appropiate for wet sanding a guide coat off but you will need to sand again with the grit needed for the paint you will be using next after finding and fixing any low spots.

You want to either preserve bare metal with an etch solution/rust converter such as picklex or prime it as soon as possible after sandblasting to prevent rerusting. The picklex and similar products are used to prevent rust if you will not be primering right away. These are good products if you are stripping parts and wish to preserve them for paint all at once AKA paint day. I prefer this way of doing it, less cleanup and waste of paint trying to guess how much you need to cover everything. Also keeps you in the time window for chemical bond to your topcoat. Body work throws a wrench in time windows, it must be done first.

I find urethane to be an easy paint to spray smoothly. The proper mix ratio and thinner for the temperature you will be working at, Good gun technique, (no double passing) and waiting the proper time between coats are all important basics needed to get a smooth finish. Technique takes practice, but the basics are spraying at the right distance from the surface for the gun and paint you will be using and keeping the gun straight to the surface, try not to spray on an angle. Sometimes difficult to do with irregular shapes and small spaces. Your hand becomes accustomed to the weight of the gun and hose drag with practice. Just like using your computer mouse. Hope you are using proper breathing protection from iso's with that urethane.

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jonesy

09-01-2004 04:34:04




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 Re: Getting a glass like finish on sheetmetal in reply to Dozerboss, 08-31-2004 21:53:37  
Thanks for the input. I have been using Nason metal etch and then a couple coats Urethane primer. I havent been using a surfacer but was told I didnt need it with this primer. THe hood is going to need body filler in a few places and thats why I got some guide coat. I cant see the hi low spots in sheetmetal until the paint is on it so I want to try and eliminate that. On the ISO's I bought a SAS fresh air system the other day. Works great.

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1951G

09-02-2004 08:54:04




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 Re: Getting a glass like finish on sheetmetal in reply to jonesy, 09-01-2004 04:34:04  
Where can you buy the fresh air supply systems? Also, about how much do these cost and what all do you need to purchase to have everything for it to work? I"ve been painting using a mask with the charcoal filters but have been told this doesn"t filter all of the isos.



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1951G

09-02-2004 13:28:26




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 Re: Getting a glass like finish on sheetmetal in reply to 1951G, 09-02-2004 08:54:04  
Never mind my question. I see where you purchased one below in the postings.



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1951G

09-02-2004 13:24:36




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 Re: Getting a glass like finish on sheetmetal in reply to 1951G, 09-02-2004 08:54:04  
Never mind my question. I see where you purchased one below in the postings.



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1951G

09-02-2004 13:23:21




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 Re: Getting a glass like finish on sheetmetal in reply to 1951G, 09-02-2004 08:54:04  
Never mind my question. I see where you purchased one below in the postings.



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