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Paint runs in epoxy primer

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john in la

09-07-2004 19:28:24




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Well finally got this thing striped/ sanded/ wired brushed/ cleaned and ready to paint. Got tired of fighting the rain ruining by hard work so I cleaned out the shed and moved it in there to finish prep work and paint.
Before

This afternoon I sprayed it off with air and wiped it down with cleaner. I then shot it with epoxy primer MP170. Did not come out as I wished but looks OK for a first paint job.
Primed

Problems I had. While this paint gun (a craftsman conventional siphon/pressure gun) has never been hooked to a air hose before I did get it for free with my compressor and that was 25 years ago. It sprayed fair but seemed to sputter or spit the paint rather than a smooth spray. I was using it on siphon. Got the flat areas nice but in the corners where I tried to get good coverage I got some runs. Think I way go to the big orange warehouse and get another gun before I spray the color coat. If the primer runs I would hate to see the color coat with this gun.

So what do I do now. 1)Forget about the runs and just go on? This is the cast and they are not real bad.
2)Try to sand them out before putting on top coat?
3)Spray top coat then worry about sanding the runs.
4)If I sand what do I use?

I will be using MTK for the top coat and would like to spray the top coat tomorrow. And yes I got fresh air. Thanks John

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CNKS

09-08-2004 17:37:48




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 Re: Paint runs in epoxy primer in reply to john in la, 09-07-2004 19:28:24  
Two things. 1. A cheap paint gun. If you haven't painted before you will like HVLP, you can get acceptable guns for about $150 or less. The price goes up from there. I have never seen MP170 run, and I am far from an expert painter. Indications are you are holding the gun too close, or moving too slow. It is possible that your tip is too big. 2. Too much stuff hanging on the tractor. Take off everything that will come off and paint it separately. It's simply too hard to paint over everything and keep the gun perpendicular to the surface, and at the proper distance. You are not getting coverage on the back side either. As the other post said you can't sand out runs in the primer after the primer goes on. Sand the runs out of the 170 and touch it up.

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john in la

09-08-2004 17:44:02




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 Re: Paint runs in epoxy primer in reply to CNKS, 09-08-2004 17:37:48  
Thanks;
Think you nailed it with #2
The spot where I got the runs was where I was trying to get good coverage on the back side or in a tight spot.
I can live with the results I got though.



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CNKS

09-08-2004 17:39:55




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 Re: Paint runs in epoxy primer in reply to CNKS, 09-08-2004 17:37:48  
Next to last sentence--"--can't sand out primer after the TOPCOAT goes on"--too lazy to retype the whole thing.



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john in la

09-08-2004 16:07:01




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 paint update in reply to john in la, 09-07-2004 19:28:24  
Well went out today and touched up some runs I had in primer but got runs in top coat any way.
Would I pay some one for a job like this? no
Am I satisfied with my job as a do it your self? yes
It is a shade to orange but looks good if I don't say so myself.
I did get what I set out for. A clean painted tractor with paint quality that will last for years to come and it looks good a 20 ft.
Am I ready to start painting others tractors. Not No but H-LL NO.
Frame painted
Now on to the tin and putting it back together.
Let me get my thoughts together and I will return if I have any questions.

THANKS every one for the help so far.
John

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apekim

09-08-2004 07:05:12




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 Re: Paint runs in epoxy primer in reply to john in la, 09-07-2004 19:28:24  
Wet sand the epoxy primer with anything between 320-600 grit wet sand paper. Try not to leave any bare spots where metal is poking through. If you have bare spots, you can spray a light touchup of epoxy primer, or you can apply a sealer prior to topcoating.

You should only need 1-3 coats of epoxy primer to get a nice high build.

AS far as your spray gun: Always run a little paint thinner through the gun to clean it before and after using it. Your primer might be too thick if it sputters. If it still sputters than you might not be getting enough air in the cup as the gun sucks the primer out. Clean the vent hole. You can also hold a rag over the gun tip tightly and pull the lever to force air into the cup. This will most likely clear the restriction in the vent hole for a period of time.

Apply your top coat in 2-3 coats. 15 minutes between coats.

Mike

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Big Jim

09-07-2004 23:41:32




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 Re: Paint runs in epoxy primer in reply to john in la, 09-07-2004 19:28:24  
If the runs are on cast and you sand them out,they will be pretty smooth against the texture if the cast. If you leave them alone, they will show forever. Sanding after the color won"t work. I see two choices for your time frame: sand now or never sand. I"d try sanding them out with 400 to 600 grit paper. I think smooth would look better than run.
Remember that you don"t have to get coverage on your first coat. Let the paint flash a bit and you can go back and hit the light areas a little more with less risk of runs.

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