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painting over un hardened paint

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tommyw

11-03-2004 06:38:29




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i thought i would do a post on this subject ,it is asked very often ,un hardened paint has a window time of about 50 hours ,if painted over during that time it will wrinkle,after the 50hours it is dry (if the temps are 60 deg or above) so to answer everyones question if the uncatalized paint is "dry" you can do what you want to do ,on laquers and spray can paint ,all bets are off ,trial and error .i dont use rattle cans for that reason.every tractor that has ever been painted with hardened paint was painted over uncatalized paint.but it was dry.i have painted for 20 years and am ppg certified .ill try to help with questions

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Big Jim

11-03-2004 22:21:57




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 Re: painting over un hardened paint in reply to tommyw , 11-03-2004 06:38:29  
50 hours is pretty short. The recomendation that you never wax new paint for a month is because it takes quite a while for all the solvents to migrate to the surface and evaporate. I"ve used some acrylic that was definitly very soft after 2 days. I think I"d opt for a minimum of a week and shoot for a month, if possible. The longer, the safer. Recoating an old unit that"s been in the sun is hardly ever an issue.

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tommyw

11-04-2004 17:11:43




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 Re: painting over un hardened paint in reply to Big Jim, 11-03-2004 22:21:57  
indeed a unit that has been in the sun is "cured" but i have never had a problem with un catalized enamels after a 50 hour wait.im in texas so i guess the normal high temps help that.i decided in the past year it is just easier to add a little hardner so i can fix a problem if i have a run or somthing.and it gives my jobs more durability.



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tommyw

11-04-2004 17:11:32




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 Re: painting over un hardened paint in reply to Big Jim, 11-03-2004 22:21:57  
indeed a unit that has been in the sun is "cured" but i have never had a problem with un catalized enamels after a 50 hour wait.im in texas so i guess the normal high temps help that.i decided in the past year it is just easier to add a little hardner so i can fix a problem if i have a run or somthing.and it gives my jobs more durability.



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Rod (NH)

11-03-2004 16:14:58




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 Re: painting over un hardened paint in reply to tommyw , 11-03-2004 06:38:29  
Hi Tommy,

I would suggest being a little careful with the recoating of unhardened enamels. You may not be able to generalize. The tech sheets for some paints indicate a safe recoat period and some do not. For instance, PPG does not recommend recoating their unhardened OMNI MAE without risking lifting. Below is my question to PPG tech service on that issue a while back, together with their answer:

Comment/Problem Description:
What is the safe recoat period for OMNI MAE acrylic enamel (w/o hardener)?
There is nothing to indicate any recoat sensitive period in the tech
sheet. It used to be that uncatalyzed enamels were sensitive to lifting
upon recoating after a short dry time and before full curing perhaps
months later. I have noticed that DuPont's NASON FastDry acrylic enamel
(uncatalyzed) indicates recoating after 48 hours. Can MAE (w/o hardener)
be similarly recoated without danger of lifting?
Thanks,
Rod Thompson
----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Rodney,

Thank you for your interest in PPG products. There is no safe recoat period for uncatalyzed MAE. We do not have any recommendations for recoating uncatalyzed MAE. The best recommendation would be to put a waterborne primer over the uncatalyzed MAE and then recoat with MAE, still there is no guarantee it will not lift.

If further assistance is required, please contact us at the Technical Service number listed below.

We have established an automated faxing system that allows you to fax
yourself product bulletins 24 hours a day. The PPG FaxBack number
is 800-450-2654. If you order document number 24747 from our FaxBack system, this document provides the instructions on how to use the system and the indexes that are available.

PPG Technical Service office is open Monday - Friday, 8:00-6:00 EST. This office can be reached at 440-572-6111 or FAX 440-572-6772. The
E-mail address is - reftechserv@PPG.com. You can also find us on the web at www.ppgrefinish.com

Before using any PPG Refinish products, be sure you understand the
warning messages on the labels of all components, since the mixture
will have the hazards of all it's parts. Spray equipment must be
handled with due care and in accordance with manufacturer's
recommendations. Spraying of any material can be hazardous. PPG
recommends the use of a fresh air supplied respirator with the use of
any of our products. PPG REFINISH MATERIALS ARE DESIGNED FOR
APPLICATION BY PROFESSIONAL, TRAINED PERSONNEL USING PROPER EQUIPMENT
UNDER CONTROLLED CONDITIONS, AND IS NOT INTENDED FOR SALE TO THE
GENERAL PUBLIC.

Technical Service/LS

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tommyw

11-03-2004 16:42:33




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 Re: painting over un hardened paint in reply to Rod (NH), 11-03-2004 16:14:58  
it it might be hard to generalize ,but i guess i have painted 300 tractors ,it is safe to assume they were painted with un catalized paint.never had one wrinkle or lift yet,im not going to say i havent had some jobs screw up,but when i allowed the recoat window to pass i was okay.not trying to say i know all there is to know ,but i know what works for me.



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