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Dale L

11-20-2004 06:55:55




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I seem to be having a problem getting the paint to stick to the pimer when I paint. The last to projects I,ve painted[1949 Ford pick-up frame and a Farmall H]the paint seems to chip off to eazy.I used PPG epoxy primer on both projects one was a base clear coat the other was acrylic urethane.I've followed PPG P-sheets to the T.I gave the primer plenty of time to dry before applying the top coat.The only thing I can think of is that maybe I should scuff sand the primer before I apply the top coat. Does anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong Thanks

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Big Jim

11-22-2004 20:37:41




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 Re: Paint ? in reply to Dale L, 11-20-2004 06:55:55  
"I gave it plenty of time to dry"
I need to ask how much is "plenty"? 2-part paints have a recoat window and you must apply more paint within that timeframe or sand/scuff before you paint. If you waited too long, you may have been outside that window and the paint did not adhere properly. My rule of thumb is the shineier the paint, the harder it is and the easier it will chip. You kind of pick your poision.

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dumb painter

11-20-2004 21:18:34




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 Re: Paint ? in reply to Dale L, 11-20-2004 06:55:55  
just leave the hardener out of the Acrylic enamel and off the tractor all together. With out hardener the paint will stay nice and flexable. Remember tractors never came with hardened paint new. Any acrylic enamel is still a lot better than a tractor came with from to factory.



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Rod (NH)

11-20-2004 15:18:51




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 Re: Paint ? in reply to Dale L, 11-20-2004 06:55:55  
Hi Dale,

You may not be doing anything wrong at all. I have used PPG epoxy primer and both acrylic enamel w/hardener and acrylic urethane single stage as topcoats. I have noticed more chipping of the film with the urethane. I think the urethane seems more prone to chip because it is a harder, more brittle and less flexible film than the hardened AE. I am not positive of that but it seems a reasonable explanation. I have also noticed, somewhat to my surprise, that the OEM BC/CC urethane on my pickup truck seems quite prone to chipping when I installed a bed-mounted toolbox.

Both the OEM paint on my truck and the SS urethane on one of my tractors I painted, chipped at the color-primer interface. The place on my truck was the bed lip where the tool box J-bolts clamp on. The place(s) on my tractor was at several bolt heads during assembly plus where the hand crank sometimes rubs against the front radiator shroud. I am always careful to keep within the time window for topcoating the epoxy so I can't blame that. If you exceeded the time window, you would not get the best adhesion of the topcoat to the primer unless you scuff sanded and reapplied the epoxy before the topcoat. Other than that, you probably did nothing wrong.

I have concluded, rightly or wrongly, that increased chipping is a downside of urethane paint films. I have thought about using flex additive (MX193 in PPG OMNI) to try and minimize the tendency to chip but have not yet tried it. I have heard mixed views on whether that does any good at all after full cure of the film. I would also like to hear additional thoughts on the subject. If this is a common occurrence, I may decide to go back to AE w/hardener :o).

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Frank Stalfire

11-20-2004 18:49:34




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 Re: Paint ? in reply to Rod (NH), 11-20-2004 15:18:51  
There are about a billion factors that lead to chipping and you need to detemine if the chipping is premature, urathanes provide the best chip resistance provided you apply the paint in the proper thickness, a common problem is paint films to thin and they don't have the structural integrity they should to provide chip resistance, if it's an acrylic modified urethane they are chippers to begin with and not much can be expected. as for the paint chipping from the under coat, there is a failure at that level if the paint chips there. and the main problems with epoxys are the flash times are never followed, 1-2 hours if you spray two coats, not many people follow this and then you have a solvent problem,

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