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Chris Willy

11-22-2004 21:06:08

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I have been seeing some different opinions for painting tractors. I will be painting a B John Deere, and a Farmall F-20 in a few weeks and was just wondering what you guys's thoughts are. Use a auto paint such as an Omni, with a hardener and clear coat, or use an OEM paint from the dealer. Thanks alot

Chris

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Seth_ia

11-23-2004 11:33:28

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Re: Omni Paints in reply to Chris Willy, 11-22-2004 21:06:08

I would use OEM paint personally. While I have not used deer paint in a while I have used the new IH 2150. The new IH 2150 is much better than Omni. Omni is cheap thin paint. IH is better and cost half the price. If you insist on using auto type paint spend the extra money and use a line of paint like Delstar, Centari, or Imron. Unhardened Omni is also has a problem with being recoated in less than a couple of months. Most other paint including 2150 van be recoated after 48 hours. While I have not sparyed much Deere in a while I know alot of guys who really like it. Most any paint of today is still better than the tractors came with.(Exept Tractor Supply or other simmular cheap paint)

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CNKS

11-23-2004 14:20:01

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Re: Omni Paints in reply to Seth_ia, 11-23-2004 11:33:28

You are not the first person that has said Omni is thin. I have not used 2150, so I can't say whether it is better or worse. However, I get very few runs or sags with 71310, it is actually hard to get the stuff to run if you keep the gun moving. I have used mostly MTK urethane, with unhardened MAE enamel on a few small parts so that I did not have to use my hood. I'm not saying that 2150 is not thicker, I think it's just what you are used to. Probably room for both.

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Seth_ia

11-23-2004 15:15:13

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Re: Omni Paints in reply to CNKS, 11-23-2004 14:20:01

I think you right about that. I've known a lot of people who like to put on a lot of thin coats to avoid run. I like to use a couple of medium coats rather than alot of thin coats, as I think the gloss is much better when no hardner is not added. I'm sure omni would be much better if you used hardner. I have no supplied air since I have little call for high end paint, so I don't use any hardened paints. With patients and technique Omni does gloss very well. I would suggest that you buy a quart of 2150 and spray some on something to see what the new stuff is like. You might be impressed. It is a lot better than the old stuff. Its a cheap experment.

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CNKS

11-23-2004 18:39:20

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Re: Omni Paints in reply to Seth_ia, 11-23-2004 15:15:13

All of my coats are done the same way, I suppose you would call them medium, as opposed to thin or heavy. I always do three, that number covers well except for some nooks and crannies that need to be touched up. In most cases two would be ok, the third is insurance. Omni AU covers very well. I use hardener because if I goof up I can correct it at least by the next day, perhaps even the same day. I haven't been painting very long -- only a couple of years, and have not painted anything without hardener except for some small parts. So I don't know about the gloss comparison between AE without hardener, and AU with hardener. Since I have the protective equipment, I have no need to change -- yet. When I use the Omni system, meaning epoxy primer, followed by hardened surfacer (on sheet metal only), followed by topcoat, there is no doubt that everything is compatible. The expense of AU compared to 2150 is negligible, compared to the other expense I have in the tractor. Perhaps $75 compared to over $3000 for the whole thing. Works for me. Of course I'm broke all the time.

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Seth_ia

11-23-2004 15:14:23

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Re: Omni Paints in reply to CNKS, 11-23-2004 14:20:01

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CNKS

11-23-2004 06:09:37

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Re: Omni Paints in reply to Chris Willy, 11-22-2004 21:06:08

As to clear coat, you really don't need it. Just use single stage.

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CNKS

11-23-2004 06:06:58

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Re: Omni Paints in reply to Chris Willy, 11-22-2004 21:06:08

It is my understanding that OEM JD paint is synthetic, and OEM Case-IH paint is a form of acrylic enamel, I'm not a paint chemist. I have no John Deere tractors, and have not used Case-IH 2150, as I believe Omni to be better. But, the acrylic part makes IH paint better than the JD synthetic. I probably have not painted enough to make this statement, but synthetic enamel fades fast, and is probably no better than the paint used when your tractors were built, which was not very good. I would go with the Omni. Another reason to use name brand paints is that brands such as Omni are actually a line of paint, and you buy all the primers, surfacers, hardeners, etc from the same company and they are all compatible, and you can get very specific instructions for their use. Many people ask questions like "how much hardener or reducer do I use". With name brand this is all spelled out for you. However, all of this will cost you more money -- it's worth it to me though,

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Big Jim

11-22-2004 21:35:10

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Re: Omni Paints in reply to Chris Willy, 11-22-2004 21:06:08

It really depends on the look you want. The OEM paints will make it look, well, original.
The automotive base coat/clear coat systems will give you a superior finish in terms of gloss and hardness. The OEM will weather slowly throughout its life but may last a bit longer than the automotive. The auto paint will tend to stay looking better until the end of its life and then fail more dramatically - delaminate and things like that. If its a trailer queen, auto will make it a better show unit. If its just a hard worker, OEM is likely better. Somewhere in between, its a personal choice.

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