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OLDSLEDGUY inSA

11-25-2004 10:39:17




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Please set me straight.I've been in the autobody trade for 25 years and mixed acrlic enamel,urethanes,base coat,etc.When we mixed acrylic enamels we always had to add a certain amount of binders or driers in the formula to make the hardners crosslink with the paint.Why would John Deere put these in the paint and not reccomend hardner.I asked a couple of paint reps about adding hardners to John Deere paint and they felt there was probably no real advantage.Whats up with this?

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CNKS

11-25-2004 17:14:48




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 Re: hardner in paint in reply to OLDSLEDGUY inSASK, 11-25-2004 10:39:17  
If you have painted for 25 years, you are more familiar with paint than I am. But, JD paint is synthetic enamel, hardeners probably don't add much to the longevity, but should increase gloss. Perhaps Rod(NH) or Frank Stalfire can add to this. Another thing, with tractor paints as opposed to automotive paints, the tractor companies don't emphasize paint very much. With the exception of those who are really interested and ask questions on this and other forums, it has been my experience that most people just do a 50 50 paint job on tractors -- looks good from 50 feet while driving by at 50 miles an hour. In that situation hardener doesn't help much.

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Rod (NH)

11-25-2004 17:11:54




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 Re: hardner in paint in reply to OLDSLEDGUY inSASK, 11-25-2004 10:39:17  
Hi,

Most of the synthetic (alkyd) and acrylic enamels I have seen do not require a separate hardener for drying. The field addition of an isocyanate-containing hardener in those paints is an option for increased performance. In fact, they cannot realistically be added by the jobber at the time he/she mixes up the color from mixing tints because there is a specific "pot life" after adding the hardener where the paint has to be used - usually measured in only a few hours. I have no knowledge about John Deere paint. If they don't list it on the can label as a possible field additive, they probably don't recommend it. I suspect there could be a couple of reasons for that. One would be they don't market a specific hardener for it. Another would be the market for dealer-supplied paint is most likely individuals and the vast majority of individuals, homeowners, weekenders and other DIYs simply do not have the personal protective equipment to safely deal with isocyanate-containing materials. All the hardener cans in PPG and DuPont that I have seen carry the "Not For Sale To The General Public" caution, along with a lot of fine print regarding safety. Matter of fact, I am surprised that such hardeners have not been effectively banned outside of professional body shops. Here's something from Saskatchewan on the subject. Don't let the trial lawyers read this :o).

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CNKS

11-25-2004 17:17:07




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 Re: hardner in paint in reply to Rod (NH), 11-25-2004 17:11:54  
Rod -- I should have waited another couple of minutes before I posted, I wouldn't have had to post.



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