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Have frame stripped. . .too cold to paint. . .now

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jason s

01-01-2005 11:08:45




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Hi -

I've stripped my JD LA frame and a few other parts down to bare metal. We can't seem to get above the 40s and 50s here so painting seems out of the question (no heated work space). My question is, what can I put on the frame to prevent any rust from starting. . .the wheels have already started to show some orange haze! Do I need to WD40 everything? Hate to do that and be faced with the prospect of getting every last drop off before painting.

I'm going to spray with Mp170 epoxy primer - can one successfully spray this in the 50s with accelerators?

Thanks much -

Jason

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Red Raider

01-05-2005 05:54:36




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 Re: Have frame stripped. . .too cold to paint. . . in reply to jason s, 01-01-2005 11:08:45  
The POR15 people make a spray that you want called Metal Ready. Spray down the clean bare metal, wet sponge off the excess after several minutes, then when dry it will buy you several weeks to hold things the way they are until temps warm up for primer. (no personal interest in POR15)



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jason s

01-02-2005 23:00:52




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 Re: Have frame stripped. . .too cold to paint. . . in reply to jason s, 01-01-2005 11:08:45  
Thanks - these are good suggestions, some things I hadn't considered or known about. Where can one find Picklex anyway? Auto body supply house? Will a primer or Picklex reduce the beneficial effects of an epoxy primer when it comes time to apply?

Any known accelerators for MP170 Dupont epoxy primer ?

- Jason



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CNKS

01-03-2005 06:12:42




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 Re: Have frame stripped. . .too cold to paint. . . in reply to jason s, 01-02-2005 23:00:52  
Do a search for Picklex 20, and you will get several hits -- manufacturer is cheapest source, but you may have to buy a large quantity. I don't know of any non-mail order retailers, not saying there aren't any. It shouldn't affect the cast, BUT as far as I'm concerned the jury is still out on the use of Picklex on cast. I have used it on two tractors (one over 2 years ago) with no apparent harmful effects. But, it does react with the cast. Epoxy is probably ok, but don't follow it with etch primer, as that will probably be too much acid. MP 170 is PPG, not DuPont. Unless Rod(NH) or someone else has an accelerator answer, you might visit PPG's web site, or even email or call the company. You might also ask your question on Autobodystores forum, or www.paintucation.com.

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CNKS

01-02-2005 17:42:56




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 Re: Have frame stripped. . .too cold to paint. . . in reply to jason s, 01-01-2005 11:08:45  
You can use Picklex 20, it will prevent rust, and also take care of flash rust, as long as you keep it DRY. Be advised that the Picklex, which is a phosphoric acid-zinc combination, will react with the cast, since cast is pourous. If you wipe it with a rag and wax and grease remover, no matter how clean your cast was previously, the rag will be black, meaning you should clean it good before painting. I also found phosphoric acid in a squirt bottle at Home Depot, which costs a lot less and "probably" does the same thing. There was a thread on here several months ago about rust preventatives, you might so a search and see if you can find it.

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dr.sportster

01-02-2005 13:54:51




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 Re: Have frame stripped. . .too cold to paint. . . in reply to jason s, 01-01-2005 11:08:45  
This is not my area of any profesional knowledge but dont body shops hate wd40 around because the silicone gets into paint work?How about lightly spraying with spraybomb primer you would sand off when warmer.Could it be wiped down daily with prep-sol or thinners? If you apply anything oily will it be easy to clean off later with prep-sol or soapwater?It probbaly would. You will most likely wet sand everything again right before painting.Just trying to be helpful.Rust is evil.

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rustyj14

01-11-2005 09:13:13




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 Re: Have frame stripped. . .too cold to paint. . . in reply to dr.sportster, 01-02-2005 13:54:51  
I don't know about WD-40 in an auto body shop, but Armor-all is the worst thing to have, followed by any kind of waxing product made for the after market! (Tha's you and me!) Armor-all is a silicone based product, as are lots of car polishes, and the silicone tends to float around the shop, finally contaminating the whole place, if used one time! Then it gets into the paint and finally onto the surface of a freshly painted vehicle, which will turn the painter into a raging bull! How do i know, you ask? I was an auto painter in a combination auto repair/ body shop. I offered to stuff that Armor-all down the throat of the car-cleanup kid, who ignored my instructions not to use it at any time when i was painting, or paint was still drying! The shop boss had to drag me off of him, and then i had to wash off all of the affected paint and do it over! The effect of silicone on the wet paint makes it look like tapioca pudding! And, thats what you will get in your paint, if you use gasoline to do the final wash before you paint! We had a product called "Smoothie", a silicone based product which we would put about 6-10 drops into the paint. This would make the paint compatible with any free silicones floating around, either in the shop, or if some neighbor using armor all outside! by: Rustyj

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Frank S

01-01-2005 19:00:51




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 Re: Have frame stripped. . .too cold to paint. . . in reply to jason s, 01-01-2005 11:08:45  
NO, epoxy's wont be very freindly at those temps, maybe just get a spray can of etch primer and coat evrything with it.



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